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Today is Wednesday. (Yahtzee)

#1

Dave

Dave

It is! I looked it up! You know how I USED to know it was Wednesday? Someone would post today's Yahtzee WARRLGARBLE about the latest/greatest game out there. But the last Yahtzee review posted was in December! So here it is - the Yahtzee thread.

January 13, 2010:

Yahtzee shines a light on the latest Steam game.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1385-Torchlight

January 20:

Yahtzee does it for Pony Boy. Wait. That was the OUTsiders.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1404-Darksiders

January 27:

Yahtzee rubs this one out for you.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1420-Bayonetta


Slackers.


#2

Shakey

Shakey

I wanted to play Yahtzee.:(


#3

@Li3n

@Li3n

BTW, talking about Darksiders, was Twilight Princess the first Zelda game to use the gameplay stuff they took? Because watching the videos Darksiders reminds me very much of Legacy of Kain: Defiance, which came out earlier then Twilight Princess...


#4



Kitty Sinatra

Me too :(

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Also, where's the puns, Dave? ThatNickGuy always made puns when he posted these threads.


#5

@Li3n

@Li3n

What's stopping you?!


#6



Kitty Sinatra

I not very punny.


#7

Dave

Dave

I'm sorry. Next time I'll pun the fuck out of you.

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Better?


#8



Kitty Sinatra

You're no ThatNickGuy, but you're here so I guess I can make do with that.

So, yes: Better.


#9

Dave

Dave

They weren't as much puns as bad jokes. Next time I'll put some actual thought into them instead of just writing down the first random thoughts that popped into my head.


#10



Alucard

Decent reviews but not as funny as he was in his reviews from last year. It'll be interesting to see how he reviews the new AvP now that its been unbanned in Australia.


#11

Dave

Dave

Sure. I start Yahtzee stuff and Nick comes back. It's like when I screw up doing laundry at home - my wife rolls her eyes and takes over.

I can see Nick doing that. He lurks for a while, sees me post this without puns and rolls his eyes...


#12

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Nah. Every Wednesday, I was all like "Man, no one's even POSTING Yahtzee's stuff."

Don't worry. Wednesday's punny posts shall resume immediately.


#13



Kitty Sinatra

It's like when I screw up doing laundry at home - my wife rolls her eyes and takes over.
Do ya think you could send her on over? I fell like a month behind in my laundry.


#14

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy



#15

Cajungal

Cajungal

YAAAAAAAAAAY! :D


#16

@Li3n

@Li3n

So, no one knows are di y'all just skip over it when reading the thread?

BTW, talking about Darksiders, was Twilight Princess the first Zelda game to use the gameplay stuff they took? Because watching the videos Darksiders reminds me very much of Legacy of Kain: Defiance, which came out earlier then Twilight Princess...


#17

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy



#18

Dave

Dave

Okay, how is that better than mine?!? Seriously! :rant:


#19

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

It's not my best work. I blame the current depression. :(


#20

Dave

Dave

It's not my best work. I blame the current depression. :(
When I tried puns all I got was, "You're no ThatNickGuy!"

I feel all tingly and vindicated. VINDICATED!


#21

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Dude, even I admit...my puns are goddamn terrible!


#22



Philosopher B.

Holy shit. We have a Yahtzee thread? I should go into the games section more often ... like at all ...


#23

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy



#24

Dave

Dave

Beautiful last dig on Eve!


#25

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy



#26



Soliloquy

This is one of Yahtzee's better ones in recent weeks, I'd say.


#27

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Yahtzee nukes AvP from orbit. Just to be sure.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1516-Aliens-vs-Predator

He doesn't really bring a lot different to the table that other reviewers haven't already pointed out, honestly (three mediocre games instead of one really good one). Still waiting for him to do Heavy Rain.

Other Yahtzee fun:

Further critiquing of Alone in the Dark
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/issues/issue_244/7253-The-Tragedy-of-Alone-in-the-Dark

Honestly, my favourite work of his is his Extra Punctuation stuff. This week, Interactivity:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/art...ctuation/7268-Extra-Punctuation-Interactivity


#28

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Yahtzee's forcast for Heavy Rain is a lot of suck:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1528-Heavy-Rain

I'm not surprised how much he bashed it, but I'm surprised he didn't at least admit that it was a good change of pace from the generic first and third person shooters. I'm also surprised he didn't spoil who the killer was.

Still, it hasn't turned me off from wanting to buy the game sometime down the road.


#29

Dave

Dave

Other than Fallout 3's review ("Yeah, it was pretty good." MUSIC!) has he really liked a game during the review?

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And escapist is down?

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Aaaand it's back.


#30

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

It wasn't working for me a couple of times.

He's liked a number of games, but still been critical of them. Batman, Infamous, Prototype, Saints Row 2, Grand Theft Auto IV, God of War, Portal, Psychonauts. Probably a good deal more that I'm blanking on.


#31

Dave

Dave

I'll have to watch it later. It's still not working.


#32

Gusto

Gusto

He was NOT critical of Portal, he ate that shit UP.


#33

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

I'll have to watch it later. It's still not working.
If you have adblock software, switch it off and turn it back on once the video loads. They messed with their player in order to get people to stop watching the videos and not the ads.


#34

Seraphyn

Seraphyn

Mmm, didn't expect him to dislike Heavy Rain so much, I loved the game. I hope we'll see more of these types of games, it's really something different.


#35

@Li3n

@Li3n

Mmm, didn't expect him to dislike Heavy Rain so much, I loved the game.

He has always loudly voiced his dislike of quick time events... so DUH!!!!


#36

R

Raemon777

But I thought he had talked about how they could be potentially done well (a la Arkham Asylum), unless I'm confusing a different rant with one of his. Anyways he makes the point at the beginning that he doesn't feel like the right person to review the game, which is probably true.


#37

Gusto

Gusto

He's not the right person to review any game, IMO.


#38

@Li3n

@Li3n

But I thought he had talked about how they could be potentially done well (a la Arkham Asylum), unless I'm confusing a different rant with one of his.
Well obviously his standards for being done well are higher then average... as in "sure it's possible, just like pigs might evolve wings..." :p


#39

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Some kinda pun with "love is a Battlefield" only replacing it with hate. Or...something about Yahtzee being Bad Company for this game. Still waking up. Here it is:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1546-Battlefield-Bad-Company-2


#40

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Yahtzee Wedges in some time with Final Fantasy XIII.
(Ugh, that was the best I could come up with? A refrence to a bit character who appears in every FF game? I tried something with combining "choke" with "chocobo" but it just didn't work. Maybe a summon pun?)

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1569-Final-Fantasy-XIII


#41

Cajungal

Cajungal

What about working with the number 13?


#42

Dave

Dave

So....he didn't like it, then?


#43

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

What about working with the number 13?
...

...DAMNIT!

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So....he didn't like it, then?
Oh, most assuredly, no.


#44

Cajungal

Cajungal

:laugh: It's not too late!



#46

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Been busy with a move, so didn't even get a chance to watch it. BUT, he did write a great article last Tuesday on his favourite JRPG's.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/art...on/7379-Extra-Punctuation-Yahtzee-vs-the-JRPG


#47

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy




#49

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy






#53

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

They need to fix their movie player. I know that they need ad revenue to keep running, but if your movie player won't run even when I turn off my ad-blocker, your system if flawed.


#54

MindDetective

MindDetective

I've played all the way through Red Dead and 1/3 of the way through Alan Wake. He's right about everything on both of those.


#55

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Thanks for taking over the punning, Fig. I've just been so freaking busy that I've forgotten all about this.

Totally agreed, Mind. To be honest, I find he's pretty accurate about most games he criticizes. People seem to think that he just rips into games, but that's not entirely true. He's not REVIEWING games, he's CRITIQUING them, which means he's critical of them. He points out their flaws, rather than just gushing about them. And really, the things he points out tend to not just be about that particular game, but common things that appear in many games (stupidly long cutscenes, quicktime events, etc). Whenever I've rented a game and played it some, I'll go back and watch his video of said game and find it difficult to argue with him. At the same time, he DOES mention things that he liked about it, but being that he's critiquing them, not reviewing them, he focuses more on what to be critical about it.

For me, I've actually been enjoying his EXTRA Puncuation articles moreso than ZP. I like his points about the gaming industry and how it could change if they'd just stop and think. He uses his expansion that week's video to point out flaws not in the game, but in how typical those flaws show up in other games. Some recent examples:

Revenge

Videogames as Art

Silent Hill: Shattered Memories

Stealth

Character Names

Male Protagonists

Monster Hunter Tri

The Common Mistakes of Horror Games

Red Dead Redemption


#56

D

Dubyamn

I thought he was pretty soft on Alpha Protocol all things considered. I mean he spent more time talking about how PMCs shouldn't be the gamer's whipping boys anymore than he did talking about how combat was a frustrating dance of waiting for your stupidly broken special abilities to recharge.

And I personally really did like the fact that people will often talk about missions you had previously completed.


#57

Espy

Espy

I've played all the way through Red Dead and 1/3 of the way through Alan Wake. He's right about everything on both of those.
I don't get it, I've finished Red Dead, they physics engine does a great job, it has only the most minor of issues (which is more than I can say for many other games), the story is compelling and keeps pushing you forward with enough leeway to do all the fun side quests, I never once felt like it was just a roam and do boring stuff game (I know those weren't his words, but he said something to that effect). It's one of the most compelling, well done games I've played in years.

He is right it's to easy. I kept waiting for it to get harder and it never did. Is there even a harder setting on it?


#58

MindDetective

MindDetective

It was a bit on the easy side and I do think the story was pretty good, though it felt like there were two endings. Yahtzee indicated the story was good too. He just knows his schtick. He has to sound angry and critical. The physics engine was a good choice to pick on, I felt, because that is what I have had the most problems with. More than once I rode my horse into a mountain where I was doomed to stay until I restarted. I've also seen the wagons start jittering to the point that the NPCs driving them jumped out and ran away in terror (!!!) and all the critters and NPCs freeze up and skate around on the environment when I get stuck, only able to aim and look around me. I don't expect it to be perfect, of course, but these were non-trivial physics issues that all occurred more than once. I think Rockstar deserves a little heat for that. All that said, I'm excited for the multiplayer DLC coming up. Multiplayer right now is severely lacking. It could be extremely fun but they don't have much variety of content right now.


#59

Espy

Espy

Huh... I saw a few issues but they were REALLY rare. Never saw the skating thing. The DLC sounds really fun.


#60

figmentPez

figmentPez



#61

figmentPez

figmentPez

Yahtzee exposits that no entertainment will come from the electronics shown at E3 2010.


#62

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Yahtzee thinks Super Mario Galaxy 2 takes the....cake. (Trust me, that'll be funnier once you watch it.)

The Escapist : Video Galleries : Zero Punctuation : Super Mario Galaxy 2


#63

Hylian

Hylian

The cake is a lie


#64

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

The cake is a lie
Man, that joke is so old and overused.


#65

Telephius

Telephius

The cake is a lie
Man, that joke is so old and overused.[/QUOTE]

The cake joke has gone stale for you hasn't it.



#67



Soliloquy

Heh... if you can even call that a spoiler.


#68

figmentPez

figmentPez

Yahtzee puts down his crack to review Crackdown 2.


#69

figmentPez

figmentPez

Yahtzee's opinion of Deathspank and Limbo depends entirely on if you think a review can be carried solely by sarcasm and vitriol.


#70

General Specific

General Specific

I liked Limbo. It's not the greatest game ever, but worth the money and time.


#71

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

I liked Limbo. It's not the greatest game ever, but worth the money and time.
LIMBO was good, but it was hardly worth the money when better games have given us more at a lower price point. It really does seem like $10 dollars is the highest anyone is willing to pay for an indie game unless it's absolutely amazing.


#72

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Why are you paying for Limbo? Just prop up a couple even-height pieces of furniture, get a long stick, and you're good to go.

Consumer whores.


#73

@Li3n

@Li3n

I knew i forgot something... it was watching Yahtzee.


#74

figmentPez

figmentPez

Thanks for the reminder @Li3n, but no links?

Yahtzee manages to review Shadow of the Colossus without making a dick joke out of the title. (or did I miss it?)

and he wanted out the instant he was up to speed in Split/Second: Velocity

Yahtzee wears no nostalgia-tinted glasses when reviewing Transformers: War for Cyberton


#75

@Li3n

@Li3n

Too busy watching the ones i didn't see because i had to work at work for more then half the 8 hour schedule... i think we're the only country that can make using the computer for something to take more work then without it (because we made the starting part be on the PC, while leaving all the boring, copypasta paperwork for the humans to do... idiots).


#76

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

Too busy watching the ones i didn't see because i had to work at work for more then half the 8 hour schedule... i think we're the only country that can make using the computer for something to take more work then without it (because we made the starting part be on the PC, while leaving all the boring, copypasta paperwork for the humans to do... idiots).

Reading this made me think I was having an aneurysm. It doesn't make any sense.


#77

@Li3n

@Li3n

well it wasn't meant to, i was just venting... while trying not to give any info on what i do...


#78

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Yahtzee splits Kane & Lynch 2 in half.

The Escapist : Video Galleries : Zero Punctuation : Kane & Lynch 2: Dog Days

No, seriously. I can't recall the last time he's ripped apart a game this harshly.


#79

figmentPez

figmentPez

Mafia II's sandbox causes Yahtzee some serious chafing.


#80

figmentPez

figmentPez

Yahtzee dons his Zero (Punctuation) Suit to review Metroid: Other M


#81

@Li3n

@Li3n

Yahtzee darkly descends upon Amnesia: The Dark Descent !

*am i doing it right?!


#82

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Yahtzee reaches for the stars:

The Escapist : Video Galleries : Zero Punctuation : Halo: Reach

Ugh. It's harder to come up with puns with titles including subtitles.


#83

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Halo is reaching?


#84

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Heh, yeah. My puns ain't up to snuff much lately.


#85

figmentPez

figmentPez

Eh, a lot of mine haven't been that great, either. It's not easy to be punny on demand.


#86

figmentPez

figmentPez

Yahtzee combines Cynicism + Smashed Hopes in order to beat on Dead Rising 2

...and he finds a broken game with no depth in Spider-Man: Shattered Dimensions


#87

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

I was a little surprised he enjoyed Dead Rising 2 so much. It really is a great, fun game, but I was just expecting him to rail on it.

Not surprised he bashed Spidey, though.


#88

D

Dubyamn

I was a little surprised he enjoyed Dead Rising 2 so much. It really is a great, fun game, but I was just expecting him to rail on it.

Not surprised he bashed Spidey, though.
After playing it I can see how he couldn't find anything to rail on it about. I actually didn't like Dead Rising 1 all that much. It was too full of bullshit. I mean the bosses took absurd amounts of damage to take down, There were never any good weapons near the hideout so I was constantly fighting with weapons that sucked and Otis was annoying. The core game was fun but those problems kept me from really liking it. Along with a few minor problems like the follower AI and the absurdly slow speed of Frank.

Dead Rising 2 on the other hand fixed each and every one of those problems. Bosses are challenging but doable, you can make a variety of strong useful weapons right outside the hideout and mission control doesn't require you to walk for 5 minutes each time they call to report a survivor. Hell even the minor problems I had with it were fixed.

Dead Rising 2 is a rock solid game top to bottom and in every way an improvement on Dead Rising 1.


#89

figmentPez

figmentPez

Castlevania: Lords of Shadow, it's like God of War but...


#90

figmentPez

figmentPez

Well, completely forgot about this for a month. I'm feeling kind of enslaved to this thread, which is odd, I see, so I'll just head out to the west where Yahtzee did this review.

There's bound to be some fallout, and I'll try something new in the future, but I think you'll find better odds in Vegas or in this other review.

I doubt anything will get me a gold star at this point, but at least I didn't start any wars. The force behind something like that could be unleashed at any moment, too. I think Yahtzee was saying something about that.

I'll have to make this quick, in case I get a phone call. Of course I prefer email, but some people seem to think it's their duty use older technologies, or if there's some black mark for people who don't like a disembodied voice in their ear... and now I'm wondering if I've got the chops to work in this last bit. Maybe Yahtzee's commentary can help.


#91

figmentPez

figmentPez

I haven't had time to watch the video yet, so I guess I'lll just iPhone in this [STRIKE]pun[/STRIKE] [STRIKE]joke[/STRIKE] forced attempt at humor about games, here's this week's Zero Punctuation.


#92

figmentPez

figmentPez

Can someone please come up with a pun or other witticism for me? I'm a little busy today:
Zero Punctuation - Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood


#93

figmentPez

figmentPez

Yahtzee finds Splatterhouse simply a-gore-able. (Not really, he thinks it's crap.)


#94

figmentPez

figmentPez

When is too far, not far enough? Yahtzee reviews Epic Mickey



#96

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy



#97

@Li3n

@Li3n

So, why do you guys raid?!



#99

Jay

Jay

Fantastic


#100

@Li3n

@Li3n

Fable-ulous...



#102



Chibibar

heh.. :) it must be good cause Yathzee lost 9 hours playing and didn't even realize it :)


#103

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy



#104

Dave

Dave

So...Mein Cock?
I wanted to make a comic about Minecraft. I was going to call it "Mine Kampf". Some thought that would be in bad taste.


#105

figmentPez

figmentPez

Yahtzee tells A Shadow's Tale to get lost.

and he'd rather get an empty box than one full of Dead Space 2


I wonder if Yahtzee will do a review of Magicka in the future. He's sure to hate it, since the single player is completely inferior to the multiplayer. It should be fun to hear him lament about a nice idea being ruined by it's execution and needing other people to play.


#106

figmentPez

figmentPez

MindJack is about a guy named Jim.


#107

Covar

Covar

yay, Yahtzee is keeping me from buying some game I have never heard of.


#108

@Li3n

@Li3n

MindJack is about a guy named Jim.
That ability to jump in as an enemy sounds interesting... of course it should be opt in for the guy playing the character too.


#109

figmentPez

figmentPez

Two days after Tuesday, I'm too late in letting you know that Yahtzee reviews Two Worlds II.


#110



Jiarn

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/2757-DC-Universe-Online

He failed pretty damn hard here. The only thing he got right was the repetitive nature of the quest types. His argument of DC vs CoH was that CoH was better cause it had more starting customization.

He REALLY needs to stop trying to review MMOs. He's terrible at it. Like, not even funny when he tries to make fun of it.


#111

figmentPez

figmentPez

He REALLY needs to stop trying to review MMOs. He's terrible at it. Like, not even funny when he tries to make fun of it.
He has very narrow tastes in games, and little inclination to understand something he doesn't like. His humor works when he's playing a bad entry in a genre he approves of, but when he's playing something he wouldn't even like if it were good, he falls flat on his face.


#112

Espy

Espy

I dunno, even when I totally disagree with him I think he's funny and entertaining.


#113

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

I pretty much have to; I keep watching his reviews for laughs, and then go buy a bunch of the games he's said aren't worth shit.


#114

Espy

Espy

No kidding. If he started liking every game I doubt he'd be half as entertaining.


#115

@Li3n

@Li3n

He has very narrow tastes in games, and little inclination to understand something he doesn't like. His humor works when he's playing a bad entry in a genre he approves of, but when he's playing something he wouldn't even like if it were good, he falls flat on his face.
figmentPez and MMO's, sitting in a tree, K.I.S.S.I.N.G.... :p


#116



Jiarn

I'm getting to the point that watching him isn't entertaining anymore. Its one thing to be funny when you know what you're talking about. Otherwise you come off as an idiot.


#117

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

Yahtzee BULLETines his review of the upcoming STORM...

Yeah, I'm bad at this, just click this motherfuckers: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/2863-Bulletstorm

I think he's actually spot on with this review. I enjoyed Bulletstorm, but it was more gears of war when I was hoping for Painkiller.


#118

@Li3n

@Li3n

I'm getting to the point that watching him isn't entertaining anymore. Its one thing to be funny when you know what you're talking about. Otherwise you come off as an idiot.
Sorry dude, figPo was in the tree before you...


#119

Espy

Espy

I'm getting to the point that watching him isn't entertaining anymore. Its one thing to be funny when you know what you're talking about. Otherwise you come off as an idiot.
Maybe, and just ride with me on this here, you just have different opinions than he does. Shocking, I know, but taking him as seriously as you seem to might not be... healthy. Have a beer. Laugh. It's entertainment man.


#120



Jiarn

I'm all for people with differing opinions. Spoony and I clash on opinions from time to time, but the difference is Spoony actually plays the games he reviews for more than 5 minutes before passing a critisim that could possibly turn off potential buyers before they have a chance to find out that the game could be better than they were lead to believe because of an attempt at comedy.

It'd be like a movie critic, watching 10minutes of a film, then passing judgement on the movie and telling people that it was terrible, don't watch it, don't fund possible future installments and don't give any money to the production company. All because he didn't like the first 10 minutes.


#121

@Li3n

@Li3n

If you're using Yahtzee to decide what games you should buy then your game collection should consist of 3 games...

And his criticism is valid, even if you and others (about 11 mil at least, when talkng about MMO's) enjoy those things that are criticised.


#122

Espy

Espy

And his criticism is valid, even if you and others (about 11 mil at least, when talkng about MMO's) enjoy those things that are criticised.
Thats been my experience as well. Generally his criticisms are spot on, I just don't let them spoil my enjoyment of the game.


#123



Jiarn

His criticisms on the games he plays through/mostly through? Agreed.

The ones he plays for a few minutes, tossess aside cause they don't "mesh" with him, and then he begins to take apart, based on things that are either addressed or improved on within minutes of where he quit? That's just bad form.


#124

@Li3n

@Li3n

Well my advantage is that i've been hating the same stuff he's talking about in games long before i even had the internet, so someone pointing them out doesn't do anything to my enjoyment of them, i see them just fine on my own...
Added at: 17:19
The ones he plays for a few minutes, tossess aside cause they don't "mesh" with him, and then he begins to take apart, based on things that are either addressed or improved on within minutes of where he quit? That's just bad form.

Care to give some examples of that?

Coz i find it more likely that you're just taking his bombastic stylr a bit too personal.


#125



Jiarn

I'll be happy to soon as I get home and am able to bring up the site.

There have been a number of these type of reviews and it's gone from a small dislike, to finally pushing me to the point that I don't even find him amusing anymore.


#126

@Li3n

@Li3n

Oh well, i guess i'll have to watch the DCU review again...


#127

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

I think Jiarn is really focusing on the MMO aspect, because even if you sit and play an MMO for 30 hours, you've not played the "whole" thing, because there's constantly more, and there are so many different people to play with. It's troublesome because in that sense, an MMO is never finished until it dies, and Yahtzee also feels a game's merit should be proven in its single player, which is difficult for an MMO to do (even the best PVE often asks for more than one player). In terms of linear/limited games, he usually admits when he didn't finish the game, and in one review even openly called it breaking a critic's code (paraphrasing--although it's kind of unfortunate he gave up on that particular game, Zelda: Phantom Hourglass, where he did, because though he probably didn't know it, he was just before the final boss).

That said, I think Jiarn's way off on him disliking MMOs period, because he loves WoW as much as he hates WoW. He likes the game, he hates that he likes the game and what it does to people. He's clearly not the only person who only likes WoW, because other MMOs keep coming out and keep failing. Not to mention, he set his friggin' novel in an MMORPG.


#128



Jiarn

Yes he liked WoW. Yes his critique was good on it. Why? He played it for a long time, got very far, and was able to give an educated and experienced critique.

My problem with him reviewing other MMOs, is that you can't get a real feel for the game with "30hrs" or less. Which is exactly what he does with the others. A quick sniff then he's gone. He just needs to stop trying to review them. For the record, the "single player game" in DCU:O? It's pretty damn fun.

His "quick sniff and run" tactics don't just sit poorly with me on his MMO reviews. He's had a few single player games that he did the same too that irked me. Again, once I get home, I'll do a more comprehensive list, but he's done in more than once and it comes off as annoying more than amusing.


#129

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

You can get plenty feel for an MMO within 30 hours; you're just not experiencing all the content. But if the game doesn't have solid gameplay, you can tell that within two hours, let alone 30. You don't need to reach the end game grind to tell that.

As for DCU, I think he really offended you with that one, and whether you think he did his proper research or not, this right here:
For the record, the "single player game" in DCU:O? It's pretty damn fun.
That's what Espy's talking about. That's entirely a difference of opinion, and again, you can tell that within a few hours.

I'll be interested to see the single-player list though.


#130

@Li3n

@Li3n

Yup, re-watched the DCU review... none of his complaints actually require him to play it for 30+ hours... he pretty much side steps anything that would have required going through all the content, except perhaps the part about the different environments being just a bunch of urban settings, thus too samey.


#131

@Li3n

@Li3n



#132

@Li3n

@Li3n

Poking monsters now comes with a racial connection and fruit loop segregation: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/3008-Pokemon-White


#133

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Given how much time he has to put into playing games, writing the script, making the video, etc, on top of everything else he does, it's no surprise he didn't play enough for DCUO. He's openly said himself that he doesn't have time to invest in every game. He basically had, what, less than a week to play DCUO? As others have said, it takes much longer to honestly get into an MMO.

Then again, that does also prove his argument about Final Fantasy XIII - it's not in the game's favour to say it gets good after 30+ hours.


#134

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Hey Nick, welcome to a month ago. :p

I kid. I was wondering when Jiarn would ever post that list. On another note, I just finished Yahtzee's book Mogworld yesterday. It's a fun read with a lot of humor; I was pleasantly surprised at what I thought would be a cash-in on his current popularity. I'm hoping he publishes another in the near-future.

On the Pokemon review: Totally with him on the Electric Gym Leader battle. That was one tough bitch. DreamGoddess was trying to beat her for an hour tonight before giving up.


#135

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Maybe I'm just used to the game playing dirty tricks on you, but I didn't have any trouble until I got to the Elite Four the first time. Last generation they pulled the same tricks on you, so I made sure I had more than one way to deal with the problem.


#136

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

The electric gym leader wasn't so hard. Yeah, the flying/electric emolga can be tough, but almost all ground pokemon can learn rock moves, and you gain a rock tm by the time you get there.


#137

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

The problem was often Volt Switch, the most annoying thing I've ever seen.

Ash: I agree the last gen was much harder, but that was nearly 4 years ago with Diamond and Pearl. This game plays softball with you, and then suddenly the AI on Elesa is very smart, switching out Zebstrika when you use Dig, or switching him in if you have a Pokemon of the type that Emolga is weak to (Ice or Rock). You pretty much have to have a Pokemon hiding Ice and Rock moves. I didn't have a huge problem, but I was watching poor Dream last night as she tried different strategies and the damn AI kept switching Pokemon like it was a cheap human player.


#138

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Honestly, there is one Pokemon that will make short work of just about anything that isn't faster than it: Darumaka/Darmanitan, and you can get them before the Electric Gym. I don't usually use Pokemon that are focused on moves that also hurt them, but mine had Sheer Force as an ability (+30% damage on moves with special effects, but special effects won't go off) so I used Takedown or Flare Blitz for just about the entire game. They gets lots of Speed and Attack as well, meaning they make an excellent choice for the Battle Subway.


#139

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Darumaka won me that fight with Thrash. It's a nice Pokemon, and she's using it, but not with the right moves.


#140

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Darumaka won me that fight with Thrash. It's a nice Pokemon, and she's using it, but not with the right moves.
Yeah, with Darumaka, it's all or nothing. I suggest giving it a good Fighting move (I think mine had Brick Break around then) and then a Ground or Rock move (Rock Slide works, as does Earthquake). You'll ether want to give it Leftovers to counteract the life loss, a Life Orb (you can get this in the Battle Subway), or Charcoal. Fire types tend to be pretty damn good this generation... it's probably why there are only like 3 lines of them.

Later in the game you can get a special Darmanitan that can change forms into a VERY powerful Special Attack at less than half life. You only get one chance to get it though, and I generally prefer Sheer Force to Zen Change.


#141

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Holy crap, looking at Bulbapedia:

I may need to EV-train one of these when I hit end game.


#142

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Holy crap, looking at Bulbapedia:

I may need to EV-train one of these when I hit end game.
They also have pretty decent HP. This is mitigated by the fact that Darmanitan has low Defense and Special Defense, meaning it's entirely possible to get one-shotted by an equally powerful attacker. If your going to EV train one of these, you pretty much need to focus on Speed to get the most out of them. Darumaka and Darmanitan basically define the Glass Cannon archetype. I fully expect him to get banned soon.

But yeah, having a properly built one of these pretty much trivializes the later part of the game. Great power, great speed, and a moveset that includes all the physical end game sets. Once I transfer over my Magnazone, I'll have a great tag team for 2-on-2 fights, assuming that's still the official tournament setting.


#143

bhamv3

bhamv3

I don't actually have the game, but based on Darmanitan's base stats, it looks powerful but not ban-worthy. Definitely a glass cannon, the normal form could easily get one-shotted on the switch if your opponent predicts properly, while the zen form's poor speed puts it at a disadvantage (mitigated somewhat by its good defenses though).

This'll probably be a popular pokemon to use competitively, but not enough to ban it. But then again, Garchomp was moved to the uber tier, so what do I know.


#144

Shegokigo

Shegokigo



#145

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Considering the recent events at The Escapist concerning the show Extra Credits (and by the sounds of it, many, many more people working there), it might be that Yahtzee is the only guy on the site who actually gets paid on time. Many of the other creators on the site are apparently owed thousands of dollars in back pay and The Escapist is dragging their feet in paying them.

Then again, I'd wager Yahtzee gets paid on time because he's the only reason the site gets visited.


#146

Shegokigo

Shegokigo

I've never watched anything else on that site but him, so yeah, I can see that.


#147

figmentPez

figmentPez

I'm actually really interested in picking up all 3 titles after those reviews.
I've been looking forward to Bastion for a while. I'm eager to see Yahtzee's take on it, which I'll do as soon as I finish the movie I'm watching.


#148

PatrThom

PatrThom

Yahtzee likes games?
Oh yeah. He really liked Thief, Shadow of the Colossus, Psychonauts, Grim Fandango, Silent Hill 2, Half-Life, and possibly others.

--Patrick


#149

Frank

Frankie Williamson

Considering the recent events at The Escapist concerning the show Extra Credits (and by the sounds of it, many, many more people working there), it might be that Yahtzee is the only guy on the site who actually gets paid on time. Many of the other creators on the site are apparently owed thousands of dollars in back pay and The Escapist is dragging their feet in paying them.

Then again, I'd wager Yahtzee gets paid on time because he's the only reason the site gets visited.
That's about the jist of it I think. That whole thing with Extra Credits is incredibly shady too. Expecting donors of a charity to get the artist the surgery she needs to continue working to foot the debt that Escapist owes the creators. That's...REALLY....fucked up.


#150

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

That's about the jist of it I think. That whole thing with Extra Credits is incredibly shady too. Expecting donors of a charity to get the artist the surgery she needs to continue working to foot the debt that Escapist owes the creators. That's...REALLY....fucked up.
It's worse than that... the Escapist believes that any overage belongs to THEM and should have been used to make more episodes, not to create an Indie publishing label... even though the creator told the fans repeatedly that that is what he'd be doing with it.


#151

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Yeah, I've been trying to follow it as best I can with my recent move, but to be honest, the more I hear about it, the less I want anything to do with The Escapist. I've started watching a number of their other shows, like stuff MovieBob does and of course, ExtraCredits.

In fact, I remember ExtraCredits back when it was just a one-video thing on YouTube done for some sort of a school project or..something. I was overjoyed that they'd be doing it as a regular thing on Escapist.

From what I understand, this is what happened:
-Barely getting paid (or at all). The two guys were working for free and paying artist Alison out of their own pockets. They were doing the videos out of love.
-Alison's arm needs surgery.
-Amazing amount of money raised for said surgery.
-EC decides to take the rest of the money to create an Indie publishing label for fellow, small-time game creators.
-Escapist wants 75% of that money raised, instead.
-EC drops out and continues on YouTube, until they can find a new home that will, you know, not be dicks.


#152

Espy

Espy

There's other stuff on the Escapist that isn't Yahtzee?

Well how about that.


#153

Gilgamesh

Gilgamesh

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/vid...ource=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=videos#

Shits all over Battlefield/MW2/MoH etc etc in a very precise and most satisfying way.


#154

Dave

Dave

So you're saying he didn't like it?


#155

Gilgamesh

Gilgamesh

So you're saying he didn't like it?
I'm saying he made valid points against the game while using a game that he does feel is superior and the reasons there in it. It wasn't one of his -Make fun of it for the sake of comedy- videos.


#156

Dave

Dave

Hey, I just finished watching X-COM...and he liked it!!!!


#157

Gilgamesh

Gilgamesh

Hey, I just finished watching X-COM...and he liked it!!!!
Yeah, he does that from time to time ;)


#158

Dave

Dave

Yeah, he does that from time to time ;)
My favorite is still Fallout 3. "Yeah it was pretty good." *cue music*


#159

Frank

Frank

Yeah, I agree with him wholeheartedly.

Except for the part about buying that new shitty Doom 3 BFG thing. I have the old one, and it looks better than the new one as shitty as that is. There's a reason they removed the ability to buy the original version from Steam so people would plunk down a ridiculous sum of money for this new trash (that's also completely unmoddable).

I guess that means I don't agree with him wholeheartedly.


#160

GasBandit

GasBandit

The bugs in Xcom's interface are keeping me from enjoying it, along with their bullshit that decides when you are and aren't allowed to save. Too bad, the actual game seems fun, if it wasn't hobbled by the glitches I keep experiencing. Nobody else seems to talk about that, though, so maybe it's just me.

Also - holy necro, the last time this thread was updated the agree button was still a thing!


#161

Gilgamesh

Gilgamesh

The bugs in Xcom's interface are keeping me from enjoying it, along with their bullshit that decides when you are and aren't allowed to save. Too bad, the actual game seems fun, if it wasn't hobbled by the glitches I keep experiencing. Nobody else seems to talk about that, though, so maybe it's just me.

Also - holy necro, the last time this thread was updated the agree button was still a thing!
Crazy how people can search to find and update threads instead of uselessly making new ones huh?


#162

GasBandit

GasBandit

I'm surprised it wasn't locked. I was under the impression threads automatically locked after so much time went by.


#163

Telephius

Telephius

The bugs in Xcom's interface are keeping me from enjoying it, along with their bullshit that decides when you are and aren't allowed to save. Too bad, the actual game seems fun, if it wasn't hobbled by the glitches I keep experiencing. Nobody else seems to talk about that, though, so maybe it's just me.

Also - holy necro, the last time this thread was updated the agree button was still a thing!
I too am finding it hard to get into Xcom. I am trying classic because I really enjoyed the originals but classic mode is a devious way of saying that the AI gets 10 % aim and crit(I dont want to do normal because they it gives me bonus numbers I want somethin in bewteen.) Also I call BS on the fact that if I use up one of my movements to move my guy and he discovers aliens they get a free mov action to find cover. Lovely so they can get optimal on their return fire.


#164

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/vid...ource=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=videos#

Shits all over Battlefield/MW2/MoH etc etc in a very precise and most satisfying way.
Yahtzee doesn't like an FPS modern military game. Film at 11. :p


#165

Gilgamesh

Gilgamesh

Yahtzee doesn't like an FPS modern military game. Film at 11. :p
Yet he loves well done FPS games for the past 10 yrs? I think you should amend that to -Yahtzee doesn't like generic cookie cutter half-assed FPS games-


#166

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Hence why I said modern military game. Aside from Spec Ops, I can't think of a single one he liked.


#167

Thread Necromancer

Thread Necromancer

I'm surprised it wasn't locked. I was under the impression threads automatically locked after so much time went by.
Not anymore. Dave killed that a long time back. Took a bit of the wind out of my sails it did. It was a lot more fun to necro things back when I was the only one (aside from mods) that could bring them back from the nether. :(


#168

Gilgamesh

Gilgamesh

Hence why I said modern military game. Aside from Spec Ops, I can't think of a single one he liked.
Unless you're agreeing that the majority of modern military games ARE generic cookie cutter half-assed FPS, then I dunno what to tell ya.


#169

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Unless you're agreeing that the majority of modern military games ARE generic cookie cutter half-assed FPS, then I dunno what to tell ya.
He is.


#170

bhamv3

bhamv3

Also - holy necro, the last time this thread was updated the agree button was still a thing!
Hell, look at Ash's first post on this page. Quotemander was still known as escushion back then.


#171

Terrik

Terrik

I like Modern Military FPSs. I like some of the scripted scenes. I like Shooting targets out of an AC-130. I don't go into it expecting Deus Ex. I expect popcorn flick-esque action and it's exactly what I get.


#172

ThatNickGuy

ThatNickGuy

Hell, look at Ash's first post on this page. Quotemander was still known as escushion back then.
The Quotester = escushion?!



#173

Gilgamesh

Gilgamesh

I like Modern Military FPSs. I like some of the scripted scenes. I like Shooting targets out of an AC-130. I don't go into it expecting Deus Ex. I expect popcorn flick-esque action and it's exactly what I get.
So you go into expecting what it already is, then great. Yahtzee prefers there to be more than that, hence the review. I tend to agree with him.


#174

Telephius

Telephius

The Quotester = escushion?!
It is understandable you did not know as it did not make the Halforums headlines. When he changed his name way back when not a single fuck was given.


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