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#1

Dave

Dave

Hey, if anyone is interested in playing, drop me a line. I could give you a buddy account. And if you play (& pay for) 2 full months I get a rocket flying mount!

So yeah, I'm being greedy. But at least I'm up front about it!


#2

AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Didn't work for me with WAR. Doubt it's going to work for you... but then again, WoW IS a more popular game.


#3

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

I have been wanting the rocket myself, but all my friends already play WoW. :eek:hwell: I figure it will be around for awhile though, took years for them to replace the Zhevra.


#4

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

I could use the rocket too.


#5

CynicismKills

CynicismKills

The more I see Blizzard going all Peter Molyneux on Cataclysm, the less likely I am to come back.


#6

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Not sure what you mean. Peter Molyneux is known for talking up his games to have groundbreaking and extraordinary features, only to never have any of them appear when the game actually comes out. If you are talking about them removing Path of the Titans and Guild Talents, all I can say is Path of the Titans was not that big of a deal (it was basically glorified Glyphs), and Guild Talents actually got a buff better then the original design, since now everything that was a talent we get for free, they just rolled them over into perks.

At the risk of getting in trouble for breaking the NDA, let's just say you would not want to get Cataclysm for either of those features anyways, it right now is playing out like an amazing reboot to the franchise, everything from incredible UI changes to long, zone driven storylines that utilize phasing. Once you do the new Westfall, you get interested, and once you fight the war for Booty Bay verses the Bloodsail, you get hooked.


#7

CynicismKills

CynicismKills

ScytheRexx said:
Not sure what you mean. Peter Molyneux is known for talking up his games to have groundbreaking and extraordinary features, only to never have any of them appear when the game actually comes out. If you are talking about them removing Path of the Titans and Guild Talents, all I can say is Path of the Titans was not that big of a deal (it was basically glorified Glyphs), and Guild Talents actually got a buff better then the original design, since now everything that was a talent we get for free, they just rolled them over into perks.

At the risk of getting in trouble for breaking the NDA, let's just say you would not want to get Cataclysm for either of those features anyways, it right now is playing out like an amazing reboot to the franchise, everything from incredible UI changes to long, zone driven storylines that utilize phasing. Once you do the new Westfall, you get interested, and once you fight the war for Booty Bay verses the Bloodsail, you get hooked.
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First off, you're taking my comment waaaaaaaaaay too seriously, it was a loose exaggeration used for humor's sake.

I wasn't happy with Titans and Guild Talents being dropped, that's true. But I always liked EverQuest's AA points system, which allowed you to work on something besides raids/PvP/crafting while still getting some progress on your character. Using Archaeology as a way to further this goal was really interesting to me. Losing Guild Talents wasn't a huge deal, but I still liked the idea enough to be a little put off when they dropped it.

I actually haven't been playing since a couple months ago, the game's not even on my computer at the moment. Raiding feels stale. There's nothing so special about the fights (once I soaked up the story to them) that makes me miss raiding ICC every week. Ruby Sanctum is just another Ony/Sarth to tide people over. I've hated PvP since the introduction of Resilience/Arenas, and even then I didn't have much care for it before.

I like the sound of the new zones, and the revamps to the old ones. I'd love to bring a Worgen and a Golbin up from the new areas and see all the new things they're going to throw at us. However, I know once I've done that I'll be bored again, unless there's really something new to raids or the endgame. Since they dropped two of those things already, my interest is waning and SW:OR is getting more and more of it.


#8

Dave

Dave

Is it true we'll be able to fly in Kalimdor & the Eastern Kingdoms when Cat comes out?


#9

CynicismKills

CynicismKills

Yeah.


#10

Shegokigo

Shegokigo

CynicismKills said:
The more I see Blizzard going all Peter Molyneux on Cataclysm, the less likely I am to come back.
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:rolleyes:


#11

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

CynicismKills said:
First off, you're taking my comment waaaaaaaaaay too seriously, it was a loose exaggeration used for humor's sake.
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Ah I see. I just didn't find the comparison that fair, maybe if it was a larger feature.

The game is in the pre-expansion lull. This is natural for the game, and even I took a break because I didn't have anything I really wanted to do. Cataclysm and what I have tried of it has really started to hook me back in though. In the end, you may wish to try, but if you are done with the game, you always got other options out there. SW:OR looks like it's going to be pretty sweet. I just hope they let me jump, unlike KOTOR. :p


#12

CynicismKills

CynicismKills

ScytheRexx;403128][QUOTE=CynicismKills said:
First off, you're taking my comment waaaaaaaaaay too seriously, it was a loose exaggeration used for humor's sake.
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Ah I see. I just didn't find the comparison that fair, maybe if it was a larger feature.

The game is in the pre-expansion lull. This is natural for the game, and even I took a break because I didn't have anything I really wanted to do. Cataclysm and what I have tried of it has really started to hook me back in though. In the end, you may wish to try and, but if your are done with the game, you always got other options out there. SW:OR looks like it's going to be pretty sweet. I just hope they let me jump, unlike KOTOR. :p[/QUOTE]

I honestly do want to find something to enjoy in the expansion. I have the classes I really enjoy to 80 (Hunter, Shaman, DK, Paladin) and had planned to work on a Worgen Warrior and a Goblin Mage. I think the only real issue I've got, in the long run, is the worry that I'm just going to get bored since I've played the game so long. Haven't had any other MMO manage to pull me away though, it's just boredom at this point.

Edit: Also, I'm not making the final call whether I'm playing Cata or not until the NDA is lifted and the beta's aways in. After putting this much time into the game I can't call it quits over hearsay and early development changes.


#13

Telephius

Telephius

I can't wait to try the Rated BGs. I did premades in Vanilla and while I LOVE arenas I don't like them being the only form of competitve PvP as it is nowadays(even though the random BG feature made bg player quality better) since BGs can be quite annoying since not that many people care about intense matches. Adding some more carrot to the BG stick for winning ALOT means hoepfully they will be alot more fun to play.


#14

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

I am also happy about the simplified currency, no more marks of various levels, just two easy to sets of points much like honor points to buy all gear. Each tier the higher points are downgraded to the lowest point, so no more wasted marks either.


#15



Chazwozel

ScytheRexx;403128][QUOTE=CynicismKills said:
First off, you're taking my comment waaaaaaaaaay too seriously, it was a loose exaggeration used for humor's sake.
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Ah I see. I just didn't find the comparison that fair, maybe if it was a larger feature.

The game is in the pre-expansion lull. This is natural for the game, and even I took a break because I didn't have anything I really wanted to do. Cataclysm and what I have tried of it has really started to hook me back in though. In the end, you may wish to try, but if you are done with the game, you always got other options out there. SW:OR looks like it's going to be pretty sweet. I just hope they let me jump, unlike KOTOR. :p[/QUOTE]

I don't want to play WoW, but Cat just looks too fucking awesome not to.

Are they upgrading the graphics engine at all?


#16

Dave

Dave

http://www.worldofraids.com/topic/17090-the-big-cataclysm-info-post/

Cat information. GREAT READ!


#17

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Are they upgrading the graphics engine at all?
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Yes, to an extent. As far as we know they are not upgrading the old character models, which is slightly disappointing. They did add some upgrade textures to a few older models, like new Naga skins, so it is my hope we at least get some new skins in the future. The biggest barrier is that most players don't want to lose the "look" of their characters, and upgrades often will lead to changes in character look.

The biggest changes are ambiance changes. They added a much more dynamic water system that looks great. You can either use the original water, the new water with "fake" reflections, or the new water with real-time reflections. It's really some nice looking stuff. They also added "god rays" to the lighting system, so now you can see rays of light coming down from the sky and being distorted by your character and other objects in the space..


I wish I can go into more detail about the various things in the game, but the NDA is pretty tight for the next few days till the beta starts.


#18

Dei

Dei

How many Worgen will there be with some variation of the name Jacob? Place your bets now! :p


#19

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

This is why I am going to avoid the Worgen experience till after I probably max out my Goblin. Let everyone get the twilight out of them. :eek:hwell:

One other thing I should mention, the new races are extremely expressive. It actually makes the old races, even the blood elves and draenei, look downright primitive. They almost look silly standing next to eachother.


#20

Dave

Dave

I won't play either to start off with. Like the DKs when Lich King came out, the areas will be stupidly busy and impossible to get gathering quests completed as dickheads will snipe the stuff you are fighting for.


#21

Dei

Dei

The only new thing I might make for Cata is a dwarf shaman. I just have no real interest in Goblins or Worgen. Though if I get beta access somehow, I will probably make a goblin just to check out the new areas.


#22

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

One point of interest, the dwarves are actually getting some tan skins with drawn on tattoos to represent the fact the Wildhammer are being reintegrated in the the dwarven nation of Ironforge. No word on if the Dark Iron will get the same treatment, even though they are also being somewhat reintegrated.

Dwarves are going to be getting some really cool stories. Sucks about Magni though. :eek:hwell:


#23

CynicismKills

CynicismKills

Wildhammer Dwarves?!?!?!?! i knew they were playing a bigger part in Cata, but if I can make a character look like one...

Shit, I might have to change my Hunter back to a Dwarf if I pick this up.


#24

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

I'd like to do a Goblin Hunter, but I have only a little Horde XP and no guilds to choose from.


#25

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Wildhammer Dwarves?!?!?!?! i knew they were playing a bigger part in Cata, but if I can make a character look like one...
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Going to be a little spoilerish here. I figure the NDA will be dropped soon (I never signed it anyways) so I don't think it will hurt to much to just give out some information on a few of the upcoming storylines.

During the Cataclysm, Ironforge is on the brink of collapse. Magni, in order to save the city, utilizes a ritual to fortify the mountain. While he succeeded, he did it at the cost of his mortal body, and he was quickly turned to stone with no magical way to return him. Moria, who you may remember as Magni's daughter and lover to the Dark Iron Emperor, returned to Ironforge with her newborn son, the heir to the now vacant throne. The Wildhammer actually return to Ironforge in protest, not wanting to see a Dark Iron decedent on the seat. Muradin returns from Northrend and takes the seat of his brother, but the Dark Iron and Wildhammer are already reintegrating in Ironforge due to the damage caused to the post-cataclysm world. This is how they are explaining that dwarves are getting shaman (Wildhammer), mages, and warlocks (Dark Iron).


#26

CynicismKills

CynicismKills

Sha-bumpy.

Alright dudes, I am man enough to admit when I am wrong. The stuff coming from the now NDA-free beta is pulling me in. The Hunter changes actually seem very exciting, along with the early Enhancement and Warrior changes. Loving the new screenies, too. Add to this a playable Wildhammer and/or Dark Iron Dwarf, and I am pretty much sold (should the last be true especially).


#27

Frank

Frankie Williamson

ScytheRexx said:
Wildhammer Dwarves?!?!?!?! i knew they were playing a bigger part in Cata, but if I can make a character look like one...
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Going to be a little spoilerish here. I figure the NDA will be dropped soon (I never signed it anyways) so I don't think it will hurt to much to just give out some information on a few of the upcoming storylines.

During the Cataclysm, Ironforge is on the brink of collapse. Magni, in order to save the city, utilizes a ritual to fortify the mountain. While he succeeded, he did it at the cost of his mortal body, and he was quickly turned to stone with no magical way to return him. Moria, who you may remember as Magni's daughter and lover to the Dark Iron Emperor, returned to Ironforge with her newborn son, the heir to the now vacant throne. The Wildhammer actually return to Ironforge in protest, not wanting to see a Dark Iron decedent on the seat. Muradin returns from Northrend and takes the seat of his brother, but the Dark Iron and Wildhammer are already reintegrating in Ironforge due to the damage caused to the post-cataclysm world. This is how they are explaining that dwarves are getting shaman (Wildhammer), mages, and warlocks (Dark Iron).
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That....is...well...fucking rad.


#28

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

I was wondering if anyone wanted to talk about the new stuff in Cataclysm. A lot has changed since the Alpha and I can answer any questions if anyone has them.


#29

R

Raemon777

Is there a good, comprehensive source for information in general? My only specific question is if archaeology still a thing? MMO champion didn't seem to have anything on it.


#30

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Ame beat me to it. There are some pretty nice guides around, though few of them will talk about story points. Archaeology still exists, but they are turning it into a trade much more suited as a secondary skill, totally casual and used to get extra bits of lore, small cosmetic rewards, and other items. One of the rumored items you will be able to get from it is both a skeletal raptor mount and skeletal raptor pet.

Here is some video of an event in Vashj'ir



#31

CynicismKills

CynicismKills

The new talent trees are interesting. I'm also dying to find out how Focus plays out for Hunters (and if BM will be viable again, I want to use my Molten Core Corehound!). I dig the new talents in BM, and so far have liked the new NPC/mob models coming out.


#32

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

When it comes to my Hunter, I am just glad they are adding a "Move To" option, so now I can position my pet without running up to the location. That is going to be invaluable since I often place my pet certain spots to better be utilized, like I put him as aggressive near flags so any capers that try to sneak in get a nasty surprise while I am fighting with his friends down the road.

Also to get this thread going again I am going to be talking about a few of the storylines that are appearing in the beta. I have to say the stories in the zones I have seen have been blowing me away, and everyone I know that has played them says they are ten times better and more engaging then the old quests. Let's start with one new story point though before I talk about some favorite old zone revamps.

Thrall and Deepholme

Thrall has taken leadership of the Earthen Ring. He is right now located at the center of the Maelstrom, which is the entrance to Deepholme. The World Pillar, an ancient item that holds up the elemental plane of earth has been shattered and threatens to cause Deepholme to crash into Azeroth. Thrall is stressing all his shaman power to stabilize the rift from Azeroth, while the rest of the Earthen Ring tries to find the fragments of the Pillar to rebuild it and stop the coming destruction.

Westfall and the Defias

So Westfall has gone through some changes. No longer filled with Defias, the land is now filled with homeless and thugs. It seems the taxes Varian used to fund the war efforts in Northrend left a lot of people without much in the way of savings or security, causing dozens and dozens of citizens to flee to Westfall. They seem to be using the abandoned farms as shelter.

Old Blaunchy and her owners are killed, leading to an investigation by Horatio (Yup, you know who... YEAAHHHHHHHHH) into the murders. He has you help him uncover a shadowy figure, that near the end you learn is Vanessa Van Cleef, the daughter of Edwin Van Cleef. She rallies the homeless into restarting the Defias Brotherhood, and burns Sentinel Hill to the ground. As a fun fact during the investigations you get to watch Vanessa recruit or reveal the various NPCs that will be replacing the killed ones in the Deadmines dungeon.

Redridge and Bravo Company

This one is just made of epic. Anyone that loves Rambo will love this questline. Johnny Keeshan (An NPC in the game right now part of a escort quest) is actually an old war hero. He gives up fighting but you go out and rescue his old team, Bravo Company, under the request of his old commander, Colonel Troteman.

You save the team and get Johnny back into shape, and they invite you into Bravo Company to take part in the attacks on the Blackrock Orcs. After many explosions and a lot of Rambo references, even driving a dwarven tank guns blazing through orc armies, you find the Black Dragon leading the attacks for a final showdown. I don't want to spoil to much, it's just awesome.

If anyone has questions about changes in other zones, or even specifics about characters, I can do my best to talk answer them.


#33

Baerdog

Baerdog

Man, now I'm getting an itch to reactivate the old account again. It's been nearly two years since I last played. I was doing so well!


#34

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

If anyone is curious how the new talent system is going to work. Here is the preview.

World of Warcraft Community Site -> Patch 4.0 -> Cataclysm Class & Mastery Systems Update

Basic Information

  • All talent trees are being reduced to 31 points total length. (Originally 51 points)
  • You will gain one talent point every other level. (Originally every level)
  • All talent ranks are being reduced so they only total 1-3 points to max (Originally 1-5)
  • You will still need to put five points a row to move to the next row down.
  • Nearly all talents that do something static, like increase damage, healing, or stats, it being removed or adjusted.
  • Each tree is more specialized. You choose a tree at level 10 and must fill it out with 31 points before the others open allowing you to multi-spec. No more "pure" hybrids.
  • When you pick your specialization, you will automatically get some iconic talents and skills that are part of that spec, plus all base mastery. Example, Arms Warriors Specialization will give you Mortal Strikes starting at level 10.
I am holding off judgement till I see how it works out, the end of huge talent trees and hybrid specs means possibly less choices to choose. However, if Blizzard pulls through with the promise of making all the talents they keep "fun" and "inventive" rather then pure stat increases, and allows us more choice in what talents we can pick over others, then this might all work out for the better.


#35

Dave

Dave

Wait! Are they taking away dual spec?

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Never mind. I just reread. You can, but you have to finish one off first? Hmmm. Not sure I like this.


#36

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

crap so no having a farming and dungeon spec while leveling. I am liking the talent changes less and less each time I hear about it.


#37

Telephius

Telephius

From what I read you can still have dual spec. What they are doing is preventing people from instead of being something like 31/10/0 going 15/16/10 and either gimping themselves because they are a new player or taking advatage of a odd concotion of talents that makes something overpower that has to be nerfed. This also will probably allow them to put cool things higher up in the tree without worrying how other spec lines will abuse it. I think(but could be wrong) that now for example only Subtlety Rogues can take prep which means that Subtley will be the only master of the coold down refreshing tactic which means they no longer have to balance Combat, Mutilate, or Preperation itself around the other two trees.


Also Dave I think Dual-Spec will work the same, they mean 'locked in' regards to the current spec sans respeccing.


#38

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

It bothers me that the whole time I've played this game, my only maxed out character has been my Dwarf Hunter. I really enjoy the play style. But now I have to totally rebuild him, and completely learn how to play from scratch. This might as well be WoW2 as far as I am concerned.


#39

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

You misunderstand Dave. Duel-spec will remain as it is now, an alternate spec you can purchase in order switch back and forth. So for instance you can still be a Paladin with a Protection specialization, and then when you feel like it switch to a Holy specialization.

What they are removing is hybrid specializations, or builds that don't concentrate on one tree but instead dip equally in two or more trees. An example is an old favorite arena build taken by Paladins, in which the Paladin would take a large chunk of Protection and Holy talents but would never go far enough to get the bottom rows of either tree.

While this means you have less choices in making wacky builds, Blizzard is doing to for a few reasons that I can understand.

One, this means you will have to get talents that are good for your specialization. No more newbies putting points in talents that don't really help your spec, like being a two handed warrior and accidentally taking shield talents because you were not thinking. It will also make it so people are more likely later on at cap to be well situated in their roles, because they will have much longer play period understanding the meat of the spec they choose.

Two, on the reverse end, no more having to balance on the off chance some players finds out going half-spec1 and half-spec2 makes him a super-god in PVP or PVE. When people discovered the Paladin tank/healer hybrid it was like everyone in arena had to have one just to be competitive.

So think of it like this. You start a Mage, you decide to go with Frost Specialization. You get Water Elemental and bonus frost damage, two "perks" that under the old system would have to be far down the tree to prevent double dipping, but now you get earlier to help define how you will play.

You can not put any points in the other trees at that time, but would would you? You will want to concentrate anyways to get the real "meat" abilities like Cold Snap and Deep Freeze. Putting points in fire not only gimps your ability, makes it harder to learn how frost works, and lengthens the time before you get the good frost abilities.

Now once you do get Deep Freeze, filling out Frost, the two other trees open, so now you can start putting points in the other trees. Really, 99% of players already fill one tree and then sprinkle the rest into other trees after they max, so nothing will really change for most players.


#40



Chazwozel

sixpackshaker said:
It bothers me that the whole time I've played this game, my only maxed out character has been my Dwarf Hunter. I really enjoy the play style. But now I have to totally rebuild him, and completely learn how to play from scratch. This might as well be WoW2 as far as I am concerned.
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The game is over 6 years old, they are making all these changes in order to bring back old players. They are trying to cut this as a WoW2.

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ScytheRexx said:
You misunderstand Dave. Duel-spec will remain as it is now, an alternate spec you can purchase in order switch back and forth. So for instance you can still be a Paladin with a Protection specialization, and then when you feel like it switch to a Holy specialization.

What they are removing is hybrid specializations, or builds that don't concentrate on one tree but instead dip equally in two or more trees. An example is an old favorite arena build taken by Paladins, in which the Paladin would take a large chunk of Protection and Holy talents but would never go far enough to get the bottom rows of either tree.

While this means you have less choices in making wacky builds, Blizzard is doing to for a few reasons that I can understand.

One, this means you will have to get talents that are good for your specialization. No more newbies putting points in talents that don't really help your spec, like being a two handed warrior and accidentally taking shield talents because you were not thinking. It will also make it so people are more likely later on at cap to be well situated in their roles, because they will have much longer play period understanding the meat of the spec they choose.

Two, on the reverse end, no more having to balance on the off chance some players finds out going half-spec1 and half-spec2 makes him a super-god in PVP or PVE. When people discovered the Paladin tank/healer hybrid it was like everyone in arena had to have one just to be competitive.

So think of it like this. You start a Mage, you decide to go with Frost Specialization. You get Water Elemental and bonus frost damage, two "perks" that under the old system would have to be far down the tree to prevent double dipping, but now you get earlier to help define how you will play.

You can not put any points in the other trees at that time, but would would you? You will want to concentrate anyways to get the real "meat" abilities like Cold Snap and Deep Freeze. Putting points in fire not only gimps your ability, makes it harder to learn how frost works, and lengthens the time before you get the good frost abilities.

Now once you do get Deep Freeze, filling out Frost, the two other trees open, so now you can start putting points in the other trees. Really, 99% of players already fill one tree and then sprinkle the rest into other trees after they max, so nothing will really change for most players.
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Back when I played, any mage worth his salt was a frost mage. I said to hell with hybrid specs long ago anyway. My mage was always primarily frost based with like 10 points in arcane for mana conservation. My game play style was always survivability + aoe damage.


#41

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

WoW really needs to open all 3 talent trees to players. For my example as a hunter. Beast tree for leveling, Marksman for Dungeons/Raids, and Survival for PvP. If a Beast Master goes into a dungeon, and can only choose talents from one tree... He will end up sicking his pet on the boss, going away from keys, and getting another coke. Then come back 10 minutes later to see if the group wiped.


#42

Telephius

Telephius

The problem with your example is some people really like the pet aspect of hunters and having the Pet Line be only for leveling is kinda what I think Blizz has been avoiding for awhile.

Both Survival and Marks have been both for PvE and PvP in WotLK depending on how they were specced. I beleive Blizz has been trying to get BM to be up to par, and currently has its niche in PvPsuch as Beast Cleave arena comps.


#43

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

sixpackshaker said:
WoW really needs to open all 3 talent trees to players. For my example as a hunter. Beast tree for leveling, Marksman for Dungeons/Raids, and Survival for PvP. If a Beast Master goes into a dungeon, and can only choose talents from one tree... He will end up sicking his pet on the boss, going away from keys, and getting another coke. Then come back 10 minutes later to see if the group wiped.
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You really had me going there till I saw the end. LMAO.


#44

Dave

Dave

I like being able to pick & choose through all 3 trees. I think it promotes individuality. Now we'll have super specialists that all look basically alike.


#45

Seraphyn

Seraphyn

I liked having weird specs and hybrid the shit out of my characters. Aside from PvP and very high end End Game it didn't matter what spec you were anyway. Though since I'm not playing and probably won't ever play again it doesn't really matter much. It mostly seems like the game has changed nearly beyond recognition (mechanics) since I quit playing.

I hope you guys enjoy it :)


#46

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

Back in Vanilla, I did my own research, built a hybrid survival/MM and topped dps meters for 3 different raiding guilds with that spec.

Does Blizz just list out which talents to choose next for you now? They might as well only have 31 points in each tree.


#47

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Dave said:
I like being able to pick & choose through all 3 trees. I think it promotes individuality. Now we'll have super specialists that all look basically alike.
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The issue Dave is that it really didn't. How many people do you know that actually made full hybrid specs? How many of them kept those specs at the high end? Right now here is the process of the average player.

Player looks over talents. Player goes to ElitistJerks, WoW.com, WoWHead, WoWiki, TankSpot, etc... looking for the "optimal" builds and talents. Player looks over discussions over math and theorycrafting to learn best case DPS, HPS, or EH. Once he finds out the best build, he copies it and uses it. This often involves going 51 in a main spec and sprinkling other points in talents that boost you in other specs. For instance, if you were a protection paladin that didn't go into Retribution for the avoidance and TPS, you were considered a scrub. If you didn't have HotR, you were considered even worst of a scrub.

Really, that is the issue. Right now the game has "precieved" choices. But that is all they are, precieved, not true choice. Having ten cases of ice cream, one being rocky road and the others filled with variations of frozen horse crap, does not really actually give you much of a choice on which ice cream you want, it just makes you think you do.

Specializing is basically Blizzard telling us now you have to do what you were doing already, but because of the change we may have more choices inside our spec. They no longer have to juggle the chance one hybrid might be better then they wanted it to be.


#48

Telephius

Telephius

Dave said:
I like being able to pick & choose through all 3 trees. I think it promotes individuality. Now we'll have super specialists that all look basically alike.
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People pretty much look alike anyways in terms of spec and if they don't they get called bads and get harassed or vote kicked from a dungeon. Also as of live build most of the role defining actives and passives are really deep in their respective specs so much so that tri speccing usually just gets the weakest passives. I think the new talent tress could use more breadth as other posters on the wow froums have suggested as certain pve builds have to take pvp talents just to move up in the trees but I think having clear and concise trees will be nice.

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Back in Vanilla, I did my own research, built a hybrid survival/MM and topped dps meters for 3 different raiding guilds with that spec.

Does Blizz just list out which talents to choose next for you now? They might as well only have 31 points in each tree.
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Back in Vanillea I was an elemental Mage Frost/Fire spec. Mages tress were some of the best talent trees in the game at vanilla and even they had poor talent trees by BC and LK stanards. Arcane was a 3 minute mage that whole tree was define by two actives and only one the other mages could not pick up. Fires top tier talent was lackluster and I saw many fire mages opt for the Presence of mind arcane talent instead. As such with other specs hybrid builds could do well just because of how poor certain trees were backin Vanilla.

There are not alot of hyrbid builds in LK expansion as most that proved effective were killed because Blizz didn't want 51 talent builds to be worse then hybrid builds for the same role. Ret/holy for nerfed after Season 5 arena, same with Prot/holy pallies. In TBC they nerfed all/most caster weapons to be mainhand only so Elemental Shamans would not dip to far into Enhance to pick up Dual Wield and have two spellpower weapons. Effective Hybrid builds they have been killing off long before Cataclysm was even announced, this change was just to ensure they could not balance the game alot better as well as prevent new players from falling into trap talents.

DOUBLE EDIT: Also no Blizz does not currently list out what talents to choose, Elitist Jerks(and other community sites) do and given your Vanilla example of research you would have probably followed this specs to top meters like most raiders would. They are trying to take out the fat so to speak because certain taletns are already blacklisted by the community anyways.


#49

Dave

Dave

I don't give a shit what the rest of the community wants. I have never gone to thee sites and matched my talent trees to them. I may not go on a lot of raids but I have raided.


#50



crono1224

Some people are too particular, there are obviously people who are terrible, don't care, or didn't learn. People who went 71 points into a talent tree and still missed key talents. Or people with full sets of gear with no enchants or gems at all. But I still see a fair amount of variation, even in the top builds there can be 1-5 points of your choice talents. And sometimes talents vary amongst what level of gear you have. But I haven't really ever seen blatant bitching about peoples talents in a while especially while they were holding up their own in the run.

To be fair I have seen people with the perfect spec and all the right gear doing really wonky stuff that greatly hampers their ability to help.

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Dave said:
I don't give a shit what the rest of the community wants. I have never gone to thee sites and matched my talent trees to them. I may not go on a lot of raids but I have raided.
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As an addon to what you are saying, thats fine but there are/were dead talents in every try which either sounded a lot better than they actually were or did a lot different things than the people thought.


#51

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

ScytheRexx said:
**snip** Picking & Choosing
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Pre 40 when I am leveling I hybrid a lot. I like having Mortal Shots from MM before going into the Beast or Survival trees. Or aspect mastery from Beast early.

So they will need to change the trees drastically to have some Crit or AP in Beast or Survival, or some hit points added to Marksman.


#52



crono1224

WoW Talent Calculator - Sigrie is the current thing I do beleive, you may need to refresh the pages if it keeps messing up.


#53

Seraphyn

Seraphyn

ScytheRexx said:
Specializing is basically Blizzard telling us now you have to do what you were doing already, but because of the change we may have more choices inside our spec. They no longer have to juggle the chance one hybrid might be better then they wanted it to be.
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For end game raiders though, this changes nothing. Someone will theorycraft the optimal build and anyone not using it will be labelled a scrub and doesn't get to go anywhere. The problem here lies not with the game mechanics, but with the community.
Rather then fun or inventive uses of talents, it all gets (got) boiled down to numbers and less about just having a blast. At the time that I quit the game, people were bitching and moaning about that shit even in simple non heroic dungeons. It was a real contrast with the early days of Stratholme runs where we were just running about doing shit till we wiped, laughed about it and moved on. Maybe that's how it goes with all MMO's though, I wouldn't know. I never played one as long as I did WoW.


#54

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

sixpackshaker said:
Pre 40 when I am leveling I hybrid a lot. I like having Mortal Shots from MM before going into the Beast or Survival trees. Or aspect mastery from Beast early.
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And that is fine. Blizzard does not balance around the "Pre-40" game though. Actually they have said they pretty much balance the leveling game to assume you may not even take any talents at all. That is why I have known some players that didn't even use a talent point till they were in Outland.

There is nothing wrong with choices, but Blizzard is trying to balance out the game where the balance matters, the "End Game", and that is where they look when they figure out where talents are going to be spread and how powerful talents are going to be for you.

So they will need to change the trees drastically to have some Crit or AP in Beast or Survival, or some hit points added to Marksman.
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I think I should mention that you get all those already in the new system, without using talent points. Picking a specialization gives you stats those talents would have given you in the old system, only without the need for points and much more simplified to allow Blizzard to "fine-tune" us later.


#55

Telephius

Telephius

sixpackshaker;415243][QUOTE=ScytheRexx said:
**snip** Picking & Choosing
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Pre 40 when I am leveling I hybrid a lot. I like having Mortal Shots from MM before going into the Beast or Survival trees. Or aspect mastery from Beast early.

So they will need to change the trees drastically to have some Crit or AP in Beast or Survival, or some hit points added to Marksman.[/QUOTE]

True I think with this revamp that blizz nees to make especially the lower levels better for speccing. They are doing that in a way by when being locked into a spec you get key spec abilities right off the hop for chosing what to be locked into.

Hunter - Marksmanship
A master archer or sharpshooter who excels in bringing down enemies from afar.
•Aimed Shot
•Marksmanship Hunter (+ ranged hit, pushback reduction)

Hunter - Survival
A rugged tracker who favors using animal venom, explosives and traps as deadly weapons.
•Explosive Shot
•Survival Hunter (+ ranged hit, pushback reduction)

Hunter - Beast Mastery
A master of the wild who can tame a wide variety of beasts to assist him/her in combat.
•Intimidation
•Beastmastery Hunter (+ranged hit, pushback reduction)

WoW Talent Calculator - Sigrie

For a hunter example.

Silencing shot is now really early in the MM tree because I don't think the other spec can now get it. The other trees look like they now have some more interesting early level options to make leveling up and getting a talent more fun.


#56

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

So you level up with a gimp spec for raiding? Spend your 1g and look up a cookie cutter spec for optimal performance. That first talent respec is cheap. Except back in vanilla I moaned over spending that single gold piece. Gold was so much harder to come by back then.


#57

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

For end game raiders though, this changes nothing. Someone will theorycraft the optimal build and anyone not using it will be labelled a scrub and doesn't get to go anywhere. The problem here lies not with the game mechanics, but with the community.
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We will have to wait and see. The thing is the whole reason people in BC and WOTLK started pushing towards optimization was because the game was balanced around you doing the best possibly damage your role provided. This meant that taking a utility talent over a damage talent was considered gimping yourself for anything other then a normal dungeon, leveling, or farming. Blizzard sounds like they want most talents to be based more around utility then pure stats, with the pure stats balancing around the spec you choose and given for free. This means the talents have more room for utility.

You will still have people making cookie cutter specs, but it is my hope, and I think Blizzards hope, that such spec will not be required or pushed as hard as they are now, since they will be now balancing around the fact you will do your optimal damage (minus gear) once you "choose your spec".

sixpackshaker said:
So you level up with a gimp spec for raiding? Spend your 1g and look up a cookie cutter spec for optimal performance. That first talent respec is cheap. Except back in vanilla I moaned over spending that single gold piece. Gold was so much harder to come by back then.
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That is always a choice, but one of the bigger complaints in the community is players that don't understand their specs. You should see how many DKs you will see in the 58-65 dungeons that wipe you, mostly because they are in a very short time trying to learn what the specs do, the rotations, the abilities. Many feel they should start out at level 1 just for that reason.

One of the biggest things about specialization into a spec, is you have to learn it. This means new players are likely to be better players when they hit the end game if they stick to a spec. Yes, it takes away a bit of choice, but I can't way it will be bad for the health of the playerbase.


#58



crono1224

Scythe starting at 55 has nothing to do with knowing the class i have seen plenty of the same level chars of other classes that know just as little. Especially if the person just decided to hop in an instance after leveling outside for the whole time. Cause lets be honest you aren't using the same abilities inside and instance as you are outside.


#59

Dave

Dave

I still think it's taking away from individuality. I play a Sub Rogue and everyone hates to party with me - until they find out that even though I don't do a lot of damage I do things like make the monster easier to hit and give the other players more damage dealing capabilities. I also allow the tank to gather more aggro by throwing all my aggro on them. Yet because the Rogue is usually a full on DPS people scoff. Fuck 'em. It's not their toon. And I think Blizz is hamstringing and making everyone more homogenized.


#60

Piotyr

Piotyr

Dave said:
I still think it's taking away from individuality. I play a Sub Rogue and everyone hates to party with me - until they find out that even though I don't do a lot of damage I do things like make the monster easier to hit and give the other players more damage dealing capabilities. I also allow the tank to gather more aggro by throwing all my aggro on them. Yet because the Rogue is usually a full on DPS people scoff. Fuck 'em. It's not their toon. And I think Blizz is hamstringing and making everyone more homogenized.
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I disagree. If anything, Blizzard is making everyone more specialized. Plus, the trees are all about abilities and utilities now, rather than "required" passive skills/builds.


#61

Dave

Dave

With three trees and you can only open up #2 when you get 31 in the first you'll have the following:

Max = *
Secondary = #
Tertiary = 0 (as you can't take from more than 2 trees)

*A, #B, 0C
*A, 0B, #C
#A, *B, 0C
#A, 0B, *C
0A, *B, #C
0A, #B, *C

That's it. Those will be your choices. 6 different character types from each class. Dual spec and that makes it even worse. Tell me how that is better than being able to take a little from each?


#62

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

crono1224 said:
Scythe starting at 55 has nothing to do with knowing the class i have seen plenty of the same level chars of other classes that know just as little. Especially if the person just decided to hop in an instance after leveling outside for the whole time. Cause lets be honest you aren't using the same abilities inside and instance as you are outside.
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Ah, but why do they know very little? Maybe because they are not concentrating on learning the specialization they are playing? Also, let us be honest, a player that plays a specific class for 55 extra levels is going to understand it better then one that played, lets say a Priest for 55 levels and then decided he wanted to be a DK instead. You are changing over to a completely different resources and damage system. It's not going to be smooth.

As for using the same abilities inside an instance as outside, I disagree. I disagree a lot. As a person with every class under his belt, you will find yourself using the same abilities and understanding them to the fullest to get down your class and spec, even when doing something outside like Argent Tournament dailies. I am leveling a second Protection Paladin now, and I use HotR, Judgment, Consecration, just as much as I do inside instances. On my DK, I use Death Grip, Heart Strike, Dancing Rune Weapon, etc... just as much. If you are actually using a whole different ability set for outside the instance and inside, you really are not playing well.

The only time my choice in spells change is when choosing between DD or AE, which depends very much on the encounter.

I still think it's taking away from individuality. I play a Sub Rogue and everyone hates to party with me - until they find out that even though I don't do a lot of damage I do things like make the monster easier to hit and give the other players more damage dealing capabilities. I also allow the tank to gather more aggro by throwing all my aggro on them. Yet because the Rogue is usually a full on DPS people scoff. Fuck 'em. It's not their toon. And I think Blizz is hamstringing and making everyone more homogenized.
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I am rather confused Dave, because everything you said is still the same. You were a Sub Rogue, not a Mutilate Blade Furry Hybrid.

With three trees and you can only open up #2 when you get 31 in the first you'll have the following:
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Incorrect. You open up #2 and #3. You don't have a secondary tree, only a primary. The other two open completely after 31 are in the primary, and then you can mix and match those final points in those two trees as you please or dump the rest into the primary.


#63

Dave

Dave

My point is directly addressing your stating that people are cookie-cutter because of scoffing by raiders. If that were the case I would be totally combat with some assassin thrown in. But see, I don't HAVE to be a sub rogue - I just like that. If I wanted I could split it up between all three trees. It's MY choice! Blizzard is taking that choice away. Now our only choice is, "Which one of the three will I take? And which one will be secondary?" Where's the fun in that?


#64

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

When I use my hunter talents out in the open when farming the same way I use them in groups and raids, I'd be dead, or just getting hit A LOT. No pet in the game can hold aggro like a Warr or Pally.

I am pretty sure no warr in his right mind will level outside of instances with a tank build. Or it will be attack, get up and get a drink, come back in 10 minutes to see if the MOB is dead.


#65

CynicismKills

CynicismKills

Personally, my main hope is to see under-utilized trees finally accepted as something worth having. I hated getting laughed at when I tried to push out more DPS with Beast Mastery. Now, however, it sounds like a pretty capable tree. I'm also really happy to see Engineering finally get some real love. Goggles were always cool, but so easily replaced. Interested to see what happens with these "Cog" items.


#66

Baerdog

Baerdog

So with all this talk about new talents and shit (which, quite frankly, I don't care one way or the other for), if I were to reactivate my account would I be better off waiting until Cataclysm?


#67

Seraphyn

Seraphyn

sixpackshaker said:
I am pretty sure no warr in his right mind will level outside of instances with a tank build.
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Been there, done that. People have no patience, back at launch I leveled a druid, which was basically levelling as a weakened prot warr :p


#68

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Dave said:
My point is directly addressing your stating that people are cookie-cutter because of scoffing by raiders. If that were the case I would be totally combat with some assassin thrown in. But see, I don't HAVE to be a sub rogue - I just like that. If I wanted I could split it up between all three trees. It's MY choice! Blizzard is taking that choice away. Now our only choice is, "Which one of the three will I take? And which one will be secondary?" Where's the fun in that?
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Where is the fun in being useless? Having skills out of all three trees when the meat of each spec is located in the lowest tiers? Once again, you have perceived choice, not real choice. One thing I find interesting is that you keep bringing up Subtlety, which this change is going to help bring back in line with the other specs by allowing better fine-tuning, I love Subtlety and have it as my offspec for PVP (where it can still shine) and am happy that it will be viable again, even if that comes at the cost of losing specs that are not even designed to be viable.

Also, you still seem to be thinking you can only have two trees, a primary and a secondary. Once again, you only have a primary. You can take the last points and put them in any of the three trees you want.

When I use my hunter talents out in the open when farming the same way I use them in groups and raids, I'd be dead, or just getting hit A LOT. No pet in the game can hold aggro like a Warr or Pally.
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What if, however, all those talents you needed to take over the "leveling talents" were no longer there? And are instead with you just because you picked Beast Mastery in the first place? Thus leaving you room to take those talents you wanted but felt you couldn't get before like Improved Revive or Improved Mend Pet?

I am pretty sure no warr in his right mind will level outside of instances with a tank build. Or it will be attack, get up and get a drink, come back in 10 minutes to see if the MOB is dead.
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I can see you have not played in a long time. Tank builds for all the tank classes actually level just as fast, and actually in many case faster, then DPS builds. Where they lose in single target damage they make up for in being able to kill dozens of things at once in short order through superior survival, area attacks, and reactive attacks, and elites are just cake. I am leveling as a Protection Paladin right now for the second time because nothing can beat it, and leveled my Druid a duel-spec tree/bear. My warriors was an Arms/Prot build, but I often switched to Prot during leveling in zones that had a lot of creature density.

Leveling as a healer, however, is a bit more tricky, which is why Blizzard plans to increase the natural damage of healing specs to make leveling more comfortable.

So with all this talk about new talents and shit (which, quite frankly, I don't care one way or the other for), if I were to reactivate my account would I be better off waiting until Cataclysm?
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Yes, the leveling experience is leaps and bounds better then what is out now. Trust me, you will want to experience them.


#69

CynicismKills

CynicismKills

I love my Hunter but I'm sorely considering leveling a new character to see all the new goodies. Maybe a Worgen Hunter on my old guild's server. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.


#70

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

I am still thinking about what I want to level for my Worgen. I do plan to delete my Undead Priest and make a Goblin Priest on my Horde server though. My priest is the only class not maxed so it won't bother me to much to lose him.

Ok I think I need to go lay down, was 100degrees are work today with no AC so I am kind of losing it here.


#71

Baerdog

Baerdog

Well, I'm reinstalling the game as I type. What servers are all you guys on? My old main was Horde side on Azjol-Nerub but I think I'd like to make a fresh start somewhere else.


#72

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

Everyone is always on different servers.


#73

CynicismKills

CynicismKills

When I played I was mainly Alliance on Steamwheedle Cartel. Debating a swap to Alliance Ysera if I get back into it with Cata. I'd really love to do Horde again, though...I dunno.


#74

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

escushion said:
Everyone is always on different servers.
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This is something they have said they want to fix. I am not sure how without making free server transfers (which would be cool, but I don't see them doing), but at least they are trying I guess. One thing I think they could do now with all the cross-server integration, is allow people from different servers to form groups and run dungeons together.

As for Baerdog, which side you thinking of starting fresh? Really the best thing you can do right now until Cataclysm is released is play whatever faction you didn't play the last time. It can feel like a totally different experience. If you have played both factions, try a race you never did before that interested you, and definitely a new class. Starting off fresh should mean a total clean slate. While I don't plan to make any new characters till Cataclysm, you can find me on US Tichondrius-Horde and Ghostlands-Alliance if you want to talk or get some tips.

Also, remember that new race/class combos are opening in Cataclsym. If you want any of these combos you are going to want to wait, figured I would list them for people that don't know.

Orc - Mage
Undead - Hunter
Tauren - Priest, Paladin
Troll - Druid, Warlock
Blood Elf - Warrior
Human - Hunter
Dwarf - Mage, Shaman, Warlock
Night Elf - Mage
Gnome - Priest


#75

Piotyr

Piotyr

I'm thinking of trying Tauren Priest come Cataclysm, and I'd play with anybody that wanted.


#76

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

You know I have been thinking of starting my own guild soon, maybe we can all try to get one going. My only issue is I don't really see myself leaving my characters on Tichondrius for an extended period. I don't know if subjecting everyone to the mindset of Tichondrius would be very kosher either. ;)


#77

CynicismKills

CynicismKills

Orc Mage is so tempting it hurts, but losing my loyalty to Trolls would hurt more. :(


#78

Baerdog

Baerdog

ScytheRexx;415515][QUOTE=escushion said:
Everyone is always on different servers.
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This is something they have said they want to fix. I am not sure how without making free server transfers (which would be cool, but I don't see them doing), but at least they are trying I guess. One thing I think they could do now with all the cross-server integration, is allow people from different servers to form groups and run dungeons together.

As for Baerdog, which side you thinking of starting fresh? Really the best thing you can do right now until Cataclysm is released is play whatever faction you didn't play the last time. It can feel like a totally different experience. If you have played both factions, try a race you never did before that interested you, and definitely a new class. Starting off fresh should mean a total clean slate. While I don't plan to make any new characters till Cataclysm, you can find me on US Tichondrius-Horde and Ghostlands-Alliance if you want to talk or get some tips.

Also, remember that new race/class combos are opening in Cataclsym. If you want any of these combos you are going to want to wait, figured I would list them for people that don't know.

Orc - Mage
Undead - Hunter
Tauren - Priest, Paladin
Troll - Druid, Warlock
Blood Elf - Warrior
Human - Hunter
Dwarf - Mage, Shaman, Warlock
Night Elf - Mage
Gnome - Priest[/QUOTE]
I've played both but during my last WoW outing back in BC days I was Horde. I was thinking about going Alliance side this time around, probably draeni paladin or something. I'll take a look into Ghostlands and send you a PM if I decide to set up shop there.


#79

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

CynicismKills said:
Orc Mage is so tempting it hurts, but losing my loyalty to Trolls would hurt more. :(
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Seen the new troll starting zone? Vol'jin finally gets to do something he wanted to do for a long time. Anyone here play the WC3 Demo Campaign? If not here is a refresher.

In the Campaign, while Thrall is sailing to Kalimdor, his ships get damaged in the Maelstrom. He lands on the island of the Darkspear Tribe, lead by the wise Sen'jin, and helps them fight off enemies including an Alliance force. After the battle, murlocs rise out of the ocean and capture everyone, including Thrall and Sen'jin, dragging them down to an underground cavern. Thrall escapes, but is unable to reach Sen'jin in time to stop the murlocs from sacrificing him to a Sea Witch. His dying wish is that Thrall save his people. When they make it to the surface the Sea Witch appears (in the form of a Banshee), and starts causing the nearby volcano to erupt, sinking the island into the ocean and threatening to take everyone with it. Thrall barely escapes fighting off the Sea Witch, and she swears revenge.

And now for the starting zone.

The Echo Isles are under attack by a rather large force of Naga. While you quest and kill these Naga, Vol'jin learns who sent them, the Sea Witch that sunk his island and killed his father over seven years ago. She has finally returned to finish what she started and destroy the Darkspear for good. You, Vol'jin, and two other NPCs fight her in her spirit naga form (and as a throwback to the demo campaign, she summons manifestations of her power that look like banshees.) and after what feels almost like a full on boss battle, you kill her and end her attempts to destroy the Darkspear. Vol'jin finally able to avenge his father's death.

I've played both but during my last WoW outing back in BC days I was Horde. I was thinking about going Alliance side this time around, probably draeni paladin or something. I'll take a look into Ghostlands and send you a PM if I decide to set up shop there.
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That is what I am playing on Ghostlands right now. My wife and I are duo-ing as a Draenei Paladin and Draenei Priest because it allows us to get into dungeons instantly. :p Right now working our way through Outland.


#80

Baerdog

Baerdog

Nice! I was looking at the realm stats for Ghostlands and noticed that it was pretty heavily dominated by the Horde. Is this going to be an issue grinding up through the levels or do all the fancy cross-realm dungon finders and PvP wotsits make it all pretty much moot these days?


#81

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

I have to admit it's hard to tell. I hear in trade chat that we don't do well with Wintergrasp, but otherwise I seem to run into more Alliance while running around then I do Horde, way more then I do on Tichondrius which is pretty much all Horde dominated. Really, Ghostlands the population does not matter a huge amount, because it is PVE, and so you don't have to worry about the larger faction ganking you are every turn.


#82

CynicismKills

CynicismKills

Yeah SR, I had watched the retaking/new starter zone stuff for Echo Isles and it's really awesome. A Troll Hunter is calling to me pretty hardcore right now, the only part that sucks is finding a place where an up-and-comer who still knows the game could get a casual raid spot eventually. That's what usually got me on new servers when I'd try to start over.


#83

Baerdog

Baerdog

ScytheRexx said:
I have to admit it's hard to tell. I hear in trade chat that we don't do well with Wintergrasp, but otherwise I seem to run into more Alliance while running around then I do Horde, way more then I do on Tichondrius which is pretty much all Horde dominated. Really, Ghostlands the population does not matter a huge amount, because it is PVE, and so you don't have to worry about the larger faction ganking you are every turn.
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That's good to hear. Anyway, I rolled up a draeni paladin named Aureon just a few minutes ago.

So what are the must-have addons these days? Omen and Auctioneer still I'm guessing. Which others?


#84

CynicismKills

CynicismKills

AtlasLoot is pretty handy for planning out which dungeons to grind for gear. I liked Quartz a lot too, for castbars and swing timers.


#85

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Ah an addon list. That is a tough one since I try to use a rather conservative interface. Here are a few of the ones I must-have.

Deadly Boss Mods, basically gives you information on bosses in dungeons so you know when it's about to throw an attack that will destroy you. Sometimes I feel it is cheating, but it will be needed later on to survive raids because they throw a lot of stuff at you.

Healbot, even if you don't plan to heal, just having a little window with various abilities allowing click casting has been a lifesaver. For instance, even though I am a Protection Paladin, I have most of my "hand" spells linked to Healbot cast clicks. So if my wife gets rooted, Hand of Freedom, or if that warlock is pulling aggro, Hand of Salvation. I also have it set for cleansing since my wife can't dispel poisons.

Auctionator, which is basically Auctioneer Lite. It automatically scans information on items and undercuts for you before posting, allows bulk posting, and also scans for the lowest PPI on materials you need, but does not have the large footprint of Auctioneer. Auctioneer still wins in features though, so if you plan to work the AH a lot, you will want it.

Postal, makes sending mail way less complicated, including save lists of alts, friends, and other people you send mail for future letters.

Omen is not really going to be important till you start raiding, because any tank worth a lick will hold threat, and any time you do lose it you can use the built-in threat UI to know. In the end the rest is up to you. You may wish to use a unit frame addon liked Shadowed, or a action button addon like Bartender4, or maybe even a bag consolidation addon like Bagnon. Lightheaded was an old favorite of mine in case a quest was confusing me, but with the built-in quest helper you don't really need it anymore.

A Troll Hunter is calling to me pretty hardcore right now, the only part that sucks is finding a place where an up-and-comer who still knows the game could get a casual raid spot eventually. That's what usually got me on new servers when I'd try to start over.
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Maybe I really should consider starting a guild. I want to get more casually like-minded people to group with. People willing to do a small 10-man raid and wipe learning the place rather then rage at every turn when something goes wrong. That is what I had to deal with a lot on Tichondrius and why I don't really raid much now. I was actually teaching another guild how to raid some low end places awhile back but the guild didn't last, no one has patience anymore. Finding casual people on Tichondrius is like finding a needle on a beach.


#86

CynicismKills

CynicismKills

I played with some RL friends for a long time, but two of our staple healers kept trying to push for hardmodes and we had some real prima-donnas. We were good for a 10m guild but not so good as to warrant attitudes. SWC is a stagnant server, so getting into a guild that sees more than Putricide's boot in their face means you know people or you blow people.


#87

Dave

Dave

ScytheRexx said:
Maybe I really should consider starting a guild. I want to get more casually like-minded people to group with. People willing to do a small 10-man raid and wipe learning the place rather then rage at every turn when something goes wrong. That is what I had to deal with a lot on Tichondrius and why I don't really raid much now. I was actually teaching another guild how to raid some low end places awhile back but the guild didn't last, no one has patience anymore. Finding casual people on Tichondrius is like finding a needle on a beach.
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I'd be wiling to do a realm/race move to join. My current guild is okay, but not real social.


#88

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

Baerdog said:
Well, I'm reinstalling the game as I type. What servers are all you guys on? My old main was Horde side on Azjol-Nerub but I think I'd like to make a fresh start somewhere else.
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dude, give one of us a chance at recruit a friend. the rocket mount is sweet.


#89

Dave

Dave

sixpackshaker;415640][QUOTE=Baerdog said:
Well, I'm reinstalling the game as I type. What servers are all you guys on? My old main was Horde side on Azjol-Nerub but I think I'd like to make a fresh start somewhere else.
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dude, give one of us a chance at recruit a friend. the rocket mount is sweet.[/QUOTE]

Or, you know, READ THE FIRST POST AND REASON I CREATED THIS THREAD!!


#90

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

I responded to it, too late. So no rocket for me.

I could have even gotten you into a Marine Corp inspired guild.


#91

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Be aware that you can only get RAF if he makes a brand new account. If he reactivated an old one you only would be able to use SoR.

Also, some new information about upcoming changes.

Dungeons are being redesigned to mesh better with the updated world.

Places like Sholomance remain exactly the same, but the various bosses from Scholomance make a large impression now outside the dungeon in the newly phased Andorhal. The explanation is that the Cult of the Damned, even following the death of the Lich King, keeps trying to carry on his work with a large chunk of the Scourge under their control, lead by Headmaster Gandling. Scholomance is also becoming a 4x instance rather then a 5x instance.

Stratholme is also the same, but with a few large upgrades to the creatures. Since the Scarlet Crusade in the Plaguelands has been destroyed, they changed all the crusaders on the living side into a group known as The Risen, who were killed and raised by a once again resurrected Dread Lord Balnazzar. Rivendare also survived, but supposedly not as the same Rivendare. He possessed another NPC in the zone, a Paladin named Aurius, and took over what Scourge remained in the city. All in all the changes merely kept the status-quo of the dungeon, but gave it a upgraded spin. As an added bonus, killing bosses causes Argent Crusade members to appear and start patrolling the halls, making it feel like you are taking over the city and liberating it.

One of the other large changes besides the upgraded stories, is that they are moving the majority of quest-givers for each dungeon just inside it. This makes it mesh better with the dungeon finder, allowing you to grab most of the quests once you pop the queue rather then having to keep them in your log hoping you get it. So far we have seen this used in Sholomance and Stratholme, and it is implied in Scarlet Monastery and a few others to be added soon.

One of my favorite new changes though is once again for Hunters, which as we all know are getting major revamps. Behold the new stable system.



Now a hunter can have a total of 25 pets. 5 active, and 20 inactive. You can switch out the active and inactive pets at any stable master in any village or city. You can switch between the 5 active pets anytime by using the Call Stabled Pet ability, which had it's cooldown removed. This means you can have 5 pets designed for certain situations and can freely switch them while out of combat, and 20 other pets just because who does not love collecting pets!? This, added with the focus system and removal of ammo, makes me very excited to dust off my old main once again.


#92

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

Removal of ammo? guess I need to toss away my engineering profession. Arrows it the only engineering schematic that I make money on. But, I do love my parachutes and rocket boosts. But I'll be back at page one of just mining to pay the repair bills.


#93

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Engineering has always been considered more of the "fun" profession then profitable. You get a awesome mount, the ability to make another awesome mount, and various gadgets that are more about quality of life, like the various dimensional rippers, wormhole generators, jumper cables, parachutes and rocket boots, and let us not forget Jeeves, or the Dalaran Auction House. They are the only profession with activated enchants also, and soon may even be getting a unique gem slot mechanic called Cogs.

One thing I should mention though, even though ammo is getting removed, the ammo slot might remain and special "ammo styles" can be equipped like gear to change something about your shots. If that does happen you may still be able to make some money if they allow you to make those special ammos, the only difference is they would not be consumable. I have not heard much on that possible system in awhile though, so it may have been dropped.


#94

Baerdog

Baerdog

sixpackshaker;415640][QUOTE=Baerdog said:
Well, I'm reinstalling the game as I type. What servers are all you guys on? My old main was Horde side on Azjol-Nerub but I think I'd like to make a fresh start somewhere else.
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dude, give one of us a chance at recruit a friend. the rocket mount is sweet.[/QUOTE]
I was reactivating an old account and completely forgot about the Scroll of Resurrection thing. Sorry man.

Anyway, money making seems like it's gotten a whole lot easier than it used to be. I put a stack of copper bars on the AH last night and woke up to find over 9.5g sitting in my mailbox. I was quite pleased.

I would also not mind joining a HF guild. Being on Ghostlands would be nice and convenient but I'm still a low enough level where it's not a big issue to start over elsewhere.


#95

Dave

Dave

I think Scythe is the logical choice to spearhead this. I tried it once right before I gave up the game.

Scythe, name the server and faction and I'll bring over my rogue. He's new and only 77 so his gear sucks.


#96

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Let me think about it before I make a full choice. Have to be honest I never spearheaded a guild before, as I was always much more of a follower. I consider making one mostly because I wish to find other casual players willing to give up quick progression and dramatic environments for simple fun, rather lax play where everyone is not afraid to take their time.

One thing though, my rather OCD nature means I don't like spreading around to many servers. I have sort of made Tichondrius my official Horde server, and Ghostlands my official Alliance server. If I do make a guild it would have to be on either of those. Each one has a plus and minus to it really, so you can give me your opinions on it.

Tichondrius-Horde

The community can be rather unforgiving. Player-Vs-Player means you will be ganked a lot. The server itself is very pro-Horde, so we almost always own Wintergrasp. Economy is pretty steady. I will have lots of character with every profession maxed for a support network, including a personal guild (The Great Ones) that I can convert back to a regular guild from my banking guild. Already has four bank slots I purchased personally. Don't ever plan on being anywhere near the best, to many progression minded players that will make you look like a newb.

Ghostlands-Alliance

Community seems more reserved. Have not played high enough to know for sure though. Alliance seems to be disadvantaged but not at the level of Tichondrius. Only have one mid-level character, so don't have as much of a support network. PVE means leveling experience would be less stressful as you don't have to worry about ganking. Overall would probably be a more "fresh" experience.

Really, even though it's a bit more stressful, I would choose Tichondrius, just because I love having the support network of my characters and am used to the PVP. I mostly made the Alliance character so that when I feel like it, I can log on and experience questlines I can't on the Horde. My wife has a Draenei Priest she loves on Ghostlands though, so you never know, she might drag me over there someday for a longer period of time. ;)


#97

Baerdog

Baerdog

On the one hand, I think Ghostlands might be more appropriate for a casual guild due to the more laid-back nature of the server. However, there is something to be said for having the support network that you have on Tichondrius. If we do set up shop on Tichondrius, I have a level 70 orc shaman from back in the day that I'll probably move over. His gear is shit, but his fighting spirit is strong.


#98

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Well I want to get opinions from those who wish to start up, because it would not be fair for me to just choose for everyone. I gave my vote for Tichondrius because I feel I can better help people there, but I am willing to try and give more time to Ghostlands if people prefer that side of it. My biggest fear is finding enough people to fill up a 10 man, really, more then where I go.


#99

Shakey

Shakey

The big thing will be finding people outside the forum. From past attempts we know that the forum just can't support a guild on it's own. If you are serious about it, you need to make sure you or someone else is serious about recruiting new people.


#100

Shakey

Shakey

Oh, and I may join you guys if you get it going. I still have my gnome dk on Ghostlands from our previous attempt, and if we go horde I may try to roll a shaman. Haven't played one of them past 10 yet. I have no preference.


#101

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Shakey said:
The big thing will be finding people outside the forum. From past attempts we know that the forum just can't support a guild on it's own. If you are serious about it, you need to make sure you or someone else is serious about recruiting new people.
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That is definitely important, but we need to give some people a chance to even start and level. I am certain no matter which server we join, if we recruit someone already at end game they are going to "drift" if we are not ready for raiding. That means we would have to recruit a team to raid without the leveling players, and so once those people do level, we won't have enough room to get them in unless other "core" raiders drop. I find guilds die either due to lack of people to raid, or too many people that want to raid and can't. I want to avoid that.

So does anyone lean either way to either server? I was hoping to get a good feel over which one to consider in the end, but we have not really narrowed it down. I might just end up saying "Join me on Tichondrius". ;)


#102

Shakey

Shakey

I wouldn't recruit raiders. Try to sell the guild as a leveling and casual guild. You just need enough people so that when you log in it's not a ghost town.


#103

Dei

Dei

Well, my main server isn't something I'd reccomend, but I play with about 4 RL friends on Draenor Alliance, and we always have to PuG raids, if we had 5 more people we'd have our own 10 man for Cata. ;)


#104



crono1224

Damn this lull, is there going to be a pre-cata patch like the last two expansions, that changes the talents and betters the leveling? If so when?


#105

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Dei said:
Well, my main server isn't something I'd reccomend, but I play with about 4 RL friends on Draenor Alliance, and we always have to PuG raids, if we had 5 more people we'd have our own 10 man for Cata. ;)
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While tempting, I don't think I can handle leveling another character on another server. I can be a little strange about how I setup my characters. I would maybe transfer off Ghostlands to Draenor, but my wife would kill me, and I am broke. :(

crono1224 said:
Damn this lull, is there going to be a pre-cata patch like the last two expansions, that changes the talents and betters the leveling? If so when?
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Yes there is going to be a pre-cataclysm patch, including events. The two events we know about are the retaking of Echo Islands and the invasion of Gnomeregan, but we also have rumors of events happening in Thunderbluff, Orgrimmar, and Stormwind. The events will actually occur before the pre-cata patch that changes the world. Sadly I don't have a time table for you. It will happen when they want it to happen.


#106

Docseverin

Docseverin

68 DK on horde but I am willing to move if we get a guild going. I would be willing to run the late nighters until I get back from Iraq.


#107

R

Raemon777

The events will actually occur before the pre-cata patch that changes the world. Sadly I don't have a time table for you. It will happen when they want it to happen.
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I very much want to be part of the gnomeregan invasion, so please let us know about that the instant anything concrete appears.


#108

Piotyr

Piotyr

So, guild perks. So awesome.


#109

Dave

Dave

Sweet!


#110



Odie

Talked to Snuffy about this last night... If there is a established place to go , Ill come along. I could really use a guild thats willing to go relax on raiding and be acceptable of people with real lives. I also agree on the PvE server as a ideal place for leveling for casual play style.

I was planning on going alliance come Cata, but im more then happy to find a new home and roll horde.

SR when you make your final decision let us know.

Jryan - 80 Dranei DK
StevePerry - 80 NE Priest

- Odie


#111

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

You know, I hate you guys. When it comes to making a choice over two equally viable directions, I am horrible about it without some consensus. :p

Really, the thing that is keeping me on the fence is the whole PVE/PVP issue and my characters. I don't think most of you will enjoy Tichondrius as you will get ganked a lot, but I don't think I would enjoy leaving behind all my characters to make the guild really "work" on another server like Ghostlands, as being a GM will take some effort on my part to make it successful. Even considering a server change would cost me $225 for all my characters, you can probably understand while that is not much of an option.

I am starting to wish I started my Horde characters on another server five years ago. This choice would have been much easier then. :oops:


#112

Dave

Dave

I'd be willing to switch to Horde and get on Tich. Anyone else for this?

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Scythe, you should make a new thread with a poll.

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Never mind. Tichondrius shows as full. Is it always that populated?


#113

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Ah yes, I forget that Tichondrius is one of the most populated servers in the game. That kind of makes the choice a lot easier, as you can't transfer character to Tichondrius. ;)

This might even be the better option. While we won't have the support of my dozens of characters, maxed professions, or my old guild with four tabs purchased, it will give us the ability to start fresh. Also, since I don't plan to level more then the one Alliance character, that means it will be easier for me to concentrate on her (I jumped around a lot of my Horde characters, so none of them became T10 powerhouses) and can be a bit more consistent as a tank or healer.

Even so, you are all welcome to start new characters on Tichondrius if you just ever want to chill outside of the guild we make on Ghostlands, or maybe we can even start a Horde "co-guild" for PVPing. ;) Just some ideas.

When I get home tonight I will start getting everything ready. What do you guys think we should name ourselves?


#114

Piotyr

Piotyr

ScytheRexx said:
Ah yes, I forget that Tichondrius is one of the most populated servers in the game. That kind of makes the choice a lot easier, as you can't transfer character to Tichondrius. ;)

This might even be the better option. While we won't have the support of my dozens of characters, maxed professions, or my old guild with four tabs purchased, it will give us the ability to start fresh. Also, since I don't plan to level more then the one Alliance character, that means it will be easier for me to concentrate on her (I jumped around a lot of my Horde characters, so none of them became T10 powerhouses) and can be a bit more consistent as a tank or healer.

Even so, you are all welcome to start new characters on Tichondrius if you just ever want to chill outside of the guild we make on Ghostlands, or maybe we can even start a Horde "co-guild" for PVPing. ;) Just some ideas.

When I get home tonight I will start getting everything ready. What do you guys think we should name ourselves?
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HAL

Short for Halforums Alliance Legion, of course.


#115

Baerdog

Baerdog

Can we get a black tabard with a giant red dot in the center? Our nickname: the meatball brigade.


#116

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

I like it! I often find myself coming up with more ridiculous variations of such names though. Some that popped in my head are...

The Halforium Legion (Or Crusade)
The Durr Squad

I think we should just collect some names then have a vote.


#117

Baerdog

Baerdog

I was thinking of maybe Knights of HAL.


#118

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

You know I was actually taking some time to work on a tabard, and there is not much that really fits the look of halforum. No "Durr" type face, no good clean circle. I ended up trying out a few designs going mostly for a clean look but I worry none of them really fit. (Though I love the first design for some reason, very Argent Crusade and I love that tabard).




#119

Dave

Dave

I started the transfer process with Nihsen (77 NE Rogue) and created a Human Paladin named Mavandar on Ghostlands.


#120

Baerdog

Baerdog

ScytheRexx said:
You know I was actually taking some time to work on a tabard, and there is not much that really fits the look of halforum. No "Durr" type face, no good clean circle. I ended up trying out a few designs going mostly for a clean look but I worry none of them really fit. (Though I love the first design for some reason, very Argent Crusade and I love that tabard).


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That top right one with red trim and emblem on a black background would work nicely to evoke the HAL eye for those in the know.


#121

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

I am at work right now, but I will get the charter ready when I get home. This would be a perfect time to finalize the name though, so if anyone else has any ideas, post them now before I start a poll.

One other idea I had was to use a faux fantasy style name like Hal'durr (AKA The Hal'durr Legion, Elders of the Hal'durr, etc), but I think that that might go a little overboard. :p

That top right one with red trim and emblem on a black background would work nicely to evoke the HAL eye for those in the know.
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I attempted that, but I don't think the red looks very good with a black background. You can barely even see it really. I kind of want to go with more of a white and gold look to match the Durr face, which reminds me more of this place then the HAL eye.



Any other famous symbols I should know about that we might be able to use?


#122

Docseverin

Docseverin

So, Alliance on Ghostlands then?


#123

Dave

Dave

Looks like it. Look for Nihsen or Mavandar. Although I think Nihsen is already transferred over! Is it that fast now? It used to take days.


#124

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

The World of Warcraft Armory - Faustulus @ Ghostlands - Profile

I think we still have some hold outs left there from last year.


#125

Dave

Dave

Well, Nihsen is live and kicking on Ghostlands. So I'll be donating a shitload of money to the GB for tabs and such and will help some of the younglings run through stuff.


#126

Piotyr

Piotyr

I think this looks pretty neat:



Or we could go in a completely different direction with no ordinary rabbit:



#127

Baerdog

Baerdog

We could do the bag o' coins because of "Halbucks++"


#128

Piotyr

Piotyr

It is dark. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.



#129

Dave

Dave

I like it!


#130

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

Piotyr said:
I think this looks pretty neat:



Or we could go in a completely different direction with no ordinary rabbit:

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If we did the rabbit tabard we would have to be Beasts of Caerbonnag or Vorpal Bunnies.


#131

Baerdog

Baerdog

That would be pretty neat and while I really really really hate to nitpick spelling it's "Caerbannog." I just...I would just feel really silly running around with a misspelled guild name.

*sheepishly kicks the dirt*


#132

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

That's the way it was spelled...


#133

Baerdog

Baerdog

You're a tricky one but its still misspelled.


#134

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

dislexya is a btich


#135

CynicismKills

CynicismKills

Psst, don't use the eyes. They look like nipples when you wear the tabard. :awesome:


#136

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Decided to just play around with a few designs not worrying to much about making them match the name or halforum in general. When we vote for a name I can compile them and we can vote on a tabard too.



Here is a link if you want to make some too.

WoW Tools: Tabard Viewer - Merciless | a german World of Warcraft PvP Guild


#137

Docseverin

Docseverin

Fuck Yeah! Batman Nipples!


#138

Piotyr

Piotyr

CynicismKills said:
Psst, don't use the eyes. They look like nipples when you wear the tabard. :awesome:
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All the more reason to use the eyes.


#139

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx



Anyone feel like some Red Lobster?


#140

Piotyr

Piotyr

ScytheRexx said:


Anyone feel like some Red Lobster?
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No pinch.


#141

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

That would be cool for my main with the "Salty" title and Mr. Pinchy pet.


#142

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx



Speaking of Batman.


#143

Piotyr

Piotyr

The amazing spidermen.



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Heroes in a half-forum?



#144

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx



Oh, Canada


#145

Piotyr

Piotyr

Go Irish!



#146

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

ScytheRexx said:


Speaking of Batman.
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I guess there is no light gray with a black bat..?


#147

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

sixpackshaker said:
I guess there is no light gray with a black bat..?
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Yes but I don't think it looks as good.



#148

Piotyr

Piotyr

sixpackshaker;416789][QUOTE=ScytheRexx said:


Speaking of Batman.
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I guess there is no light gray with a black bat..?[/QUOTE]

Adam West style!


#149

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Piotyr said:
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I don't know, that gold is giving off a George Clooney Batman and Robin vibe.

This one is giving me a halloween vibe.



However, I have found it. Here is the halforum official tabard.



#150

Piotyr

Piotyr

And now for something completely different.


#151

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

Those are a little too masculine.


#152

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

sixpackshaker said:
Those are a little too masculine.
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You are right, we need a hello kitty in there.



#153

Piotyr

Piotyr

It's dangerous to go alone.


#154

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx



Silent... and deadly.


#155

Piotyr

Piotyr

So...that enough to pick from? :)


#156

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Yes I think we covered a lot here. I don't know if I want to be called Halforum Legion, The Knights of Zork, or Robo Kitten Attack Squad.


#157

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Tonight at 5:00-5:30 CST I will be on my Draenei Paladin, Lakaru. I should be on most of the afternoon, though I will be taking breaks for chores and dinner. As soon as I log on, I will be heading to town to grab a charter. We should make sure we have the name and tabard picked out. If you have any other options, do give them. Also, realize that while a lot of us will be halforum based, most likely not all of the players will. We can have a name not based out of halforum if you have a suggestion.

Here are the tabard designs. To vote for one, pick the column and row. So for instance, the one in the top left is 11. The one below it is 12. The one beside it is 21.







One rule is that we should try to concentrate on a single character on the server. We should keep it casual but if we plan to raid a bit during Cataclysm we should at least all have one 80 on the server, then we can spread out and make other characters during the week when we are not raiding. Also, no one is bound to raiding but if you are taking some time off please do warn me so I can plan how we are going to handle raid nights in the future. Just not showing up can be hard on other players. I plan to make my Paladin a Protection Paladin, with Holy as my off-spec, so that I can fill either of the more difficult to find roles. I never liked Paladin healing, but changes in Cataclysm is making the spec more desirable to me.

Also, if you guys are kind of new we can take it slow by raiding lower level places like Naxx. That can give everyone a good idea of how the raid game will work before we move on to harder stuff. We don't have to jump into max level raids at the highest progression. All in all lets just have fun, talk a lot, and just enjoy the nights.


#158

Shakey

Shakey

I think I'll dust off my DK Pendle. I probably won't be on much this week, but I'll try to hop on tonight to help sign the charter.


#159

Baerdog

Baerdog

I think I like tabard 12 myself. As for names, I think I fancy Hal Knights if we wanted a Hal-themed name or Beasts of Caerbannog if we don't.

Knights of Caerbannog might work too.


#160

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

As much as I love halforums I am starting to think I would rather have a conventional name. Shadows of Dawn or something, using tabard 11, 31, or 23. If we do decided to vote more for a Hal name, then Hal Knights sounds fine with me.


#161

Dave

Dave

You're the boss, boss. Frankly I don't care. It's not the Hal name I'm looking at but the people playing.


#162

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

The guild will need blood from outside these forums to survive. So either a fun name or standard name should work.

I like Knights of Caerbannog.

But I'll likely only be a casual member. I have too much invested in my guild and main toon to move him over.


#163

Piotyr

Piotyr

I like 12 myself. Silly, nostalgic and still fun. It matches the vibe of this place pretty well.

As far as characters, since I haven't accessed my characters since I was hacked and all my characters were stripped of everything, I'll probably start fresh.

I like playing healers except when raiding (spent too long being a heal lead for several ungrateful guilds that blamed healing for every problem).

EDIT: I mean 21, whatever the bunny is.


#164

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

sixpackshaker said:
But I'll likely only be a casual member. I have too much invested in my guild and main toon to move him over.
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I understand completely. I still have a lot of characters on Tichondrius I don't plan to abandon. Its going to be interesting juggling my main characters on Tichondrius with being a GM on Ghostlands. :p

As for the tabard, seems people are interested in 12, but I find it kind of plain. How about a compromise?



Also Knights of Caerbannog seems kind of long, though I love the reference.


#165

Baerdog

Baerdog

ScytheRexx said:
As much as I love halforums I am starting to think I would rather have a conventional name. Shadows of Dawn or something, using tabard 11, 31, or 23. If we do decided to vote more for a Hal name, then Hal Knights sounds fine with me.
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sixpackshaker said:
The guild will need blood from outside these forums to survive. So either a fun name or standard name should work.

I like Knights of Caerbannog.

But I'll likely only be a casual member. I have too much invested in my guild and main toon to move him over.
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OK, I'm changing my vote. If Knights of Caerbannog is going to be our name then we really need the fluffy bunny tabard 21.


#166

Docseverin

Docseverin

Knights of Caerbannog = KoC....we are KoC.


#167

Dave

Dave

If we grow really fast we can be the Biggest KoCs!


#168

Piotyr

Piotyr

The more I hear about it, the more fitting it sounds.


#169

Docseverin

Docseverin

In a side note, I decided to move my level 24 Gnome Mage named Disco Inferno to Ghostlands. Y'know since I have a year to level him :)

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I googled the possible guild name..turns out there are a lot of KoC's out there.


#170

Baerdog

Baerdog

I'll have to look into maybe moving my 70ish orc shaman over to Ghostlands in the interest of having a higher level character there. $55 for a server move and faction change is a lot of money though. :confused:


#171

Piotyr

Piotyr

As long as there's not already a group of KoCs on the server...


#172

Baerdog

Baerdog

Warcraft Realms isn't showing another Knights of Caerbannog on the server.


#173

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Okay, I am online now, have the charter for Knights of Caerbannog. Just need signatures.


#174

Baerdog

Baerdog

I'll be on in about 2.5 to 3 hours after I get home from work to sign.


#175

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Baerdog said:
I'll be on in about 2.5 to 3 hours after I get home from work to sign.
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That is a long wait, I might try to pay off a few people to get them to sign just to get it started. Then I can start getting it ready at least. Anyone else if you can log on to sign, please do. I am right now logged on my second paladin, Lakaru.


#176

Dave

Dave

Jump on, people! Scythe is a tired Rexx!


#177

Shakey

Shakey

I picked the wrong day to forget my laptop at home. I won't be home for another hour.


#178

Dave

Dave

Scythe is asking for anyone to sign. That way we won't have to wait for people from the boards. I'll be on for a while aside from dinner time.


#179

Piotyr

Piotyr

I am redownloading the client. I will be starting a new character. Ghostlands Alliance, correct?


#180

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Correct. I am getting a friend to sign now, and I will be asking my wife to sign in a bit after she wakes up from her nap.


#181

Docseverin

Docseverin

Signed by Disco! Off to bed, it is 2am here in Iraq


#182

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Well if there is one thing I learned, this server has a lot of casual guilds. Right now it's hard to get signatures because casual guilds Blood and Honor, and Banana Clan, have a much sweeter deal with free tabards and existing bank tabs.


#183

Baerdog

Baerdog

Yeah but our name is cooler.


#184

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Baerdog said:
Yeah but our name is cooler.
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Now I actually HAVE gotten whispers saying our name is awesome, so that's something. >:D


#185

Baerdog

Baerdog

Tabards are still a 1g right? That's a pretty trivial cost in this day and age. I can definitely see the bank tabs being a stronger incentive, however.


#186

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Now I got everyone in trade talking Monty Python, haha.


#187

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

What's your handle Scythe?


#188

Vrii

Vrii

If you still need sigs I can make a character over there. No way I can commit to actually playing there though, being guild and raid leader of a guild of my own, I just don't have the extra time.


#189

Dave

Dave

I'm willing to fork over $$ to get people interested. And will give enough to get 4 tabs. That's 1850g + whatever it takes to get the new people interested. 10 g per signature?


#190

Piotyr

Piotyr

Turns out that client is a pretty big download. 60%, though.


#191

Piotyr

Piotyr

Ugh, patches!!!


#192

Dave

Dave

You'll be on someday.


#193

Piotyr

Piotyr

Tim the Enchanter (skill lvl 3) is ready and rolling.


#194

Dave

Dave

Are you on today? I was under the impression that the server was to be down all day for maintenance/pre-cat updates.


#195

Piotyr

Piotyr

Dave said:
Are you on today? I was under the impression that the server was to be down all day for maintenance/pre-cat updates.
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I was on early until they brought them down. Levelling is easy and addicting now.


#196

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Yes they did a good job streamlining the sub-15 area. Be aware though that you may slow down a bit after 15. Thankfully, as a mage you get free water, so you won't have to slow down to much. Remember you can also queue for dungeons at 15, which means decent blue items and a free item bag with a random blue. You can really deck out just doing that now.


#197

Dave

Dave

And don't forget to take advantage of Dave's House o' Bags! The GB has a shitload of Netherweave bags - 16 slots each.


#198

Piotyr

Piotyr

The one thing I noticed when planning to stash some enchanting reagents in the guild bank is that it doesn't acknowledge my existence.


#199

Dave

Dave

Hmm. I think Scythe needs to look at permissions. Or at least get you promoted so that it does recognize you.


#200

Baerdog

Baerdog

As a note, Aureon is now a skill 100 Jewelcrafter. If anyone's got a low level character that needs some bling, let me know.


#201

Piotyr

Piotyr

I won't plan on stashing too many low-level reagents in the bank, just something to toss a few levelling enchants on someone if they wanted it.

EDIT: And Tim is all about the bling.


#202

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

That is my fault, I will fix you up when I get home. I tried to make viable ranks but the issue is when we add you to the guild you get put into the lowest rank. If I see you online later I will promote you, Dave or Baerdog can also do it. Though considering you would want 4 bags I am starting to wish I made higher bank permissions. You can ask another Black Knight to get you our two extra bags and trade them with you.


#203

Piotyr

Piotyr

No worries, like I said last night I don't take things very seriously. Heck, I even bought 6-slot bags for now (stupid mobs just wouldn't drop any). Just cruisin through the quests for the time being.


#204

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

World of Raids has a great preview of the new Guild UI. Looks like it's going to be a massive improvement over the old one.

http://www.worldofraids.com/topic/17361-cataclysm-beta-guild-ui-preview/?


#205

Piotyr

Piotyr

Wait, the server is going to be down until 3am? Doh! So much for my plans of hitting 20 by Wednesday. ;)


#206

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

Yeah, I had so much I wanted to kill in game today. It is my normal day for pugging. I feel like an alcoholic that can't find that next whiskey bottle. And I am starting to eye the Aqua Velva...


#207

Baerdog

Baerdog

Twenty

Four

Hour

Downtime

D:


#208

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

All my servers are on that 24 hour list.


#209

Hailey Knight

Hailey Knight

sixpackshaker said:
Yeah, I had so much I wanted to kill in game today. It is my normal day for pugging. I feel like an alcoholic that can't find that next whiskey bottle. And I am starting to eye the Aqua Velva...
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You should never plan anything for WoW on Tuesdays.


#210

Vrii

Vrii

*waving hello from ICC*

I love not being hit by extended maintenance.


#211

Dei

Dei

I was pretty happy to realize that my alliance server and my horde server were 2 different blocks of servers. :)


#212

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

I am able to get on Tichondrius at least, going to bank today. ;)


#213

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

A few Cataclysm updates from the massive patch they just released. Looks like the Worgen Males are getting a pretty large change in design. They removed the ability to alter hairstyles and replaced it with the ability to alter teeth and fangs, and also altered the model a bit to give a look much closer to the Worgen's older model, a much more feral and bestial look rather then the somewhat noble look they have in existing screenshots. Really, I am torn on which I prefer, but I think the update will ring more true to the spirit of the Worgen at the loss of some of that Gilnean quality.

http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/july/worgenmaleupdated.jpg


#214

Frank

Frankie Williamson

I wish they would spend some of that quintillion dollars they rake in monthly to update the older models. Man, the orcs, humans, dwarves, trolls (especially the fucking trolls), tauren, undead, gnomes and night elves all look frigging awful next to blood elves and draenei who as I understand look awful compared to goblins and worgen.


#215

Baerdog

Baerdog

I kind of agree with this. My cute little bunny pet doesn't look nearly as awesome as my Mr. Chilly.


#216

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Frank said:
I wish they would spend some of that quintillion dollars they rake in monthly to update the older models. Man, the orcs, humans, dwarves, trolls (especially the fucking trolls), tauren, undead, gnomes and night elves all look frigging awful next to blood elves and draenei who as I understand look awful compared to goblins and worgen.
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Blizzard actually mentioned this during the Twitter chat in an unofficial answer later in the thread.

We definitely want to do it. Our artists would love to - believe me. The worgen and goblin took an enormous amount of art and animation time for Cataclysm. It's definitely on the list though. We recognize the problem with old models in shiny new armor.
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#217

Baerdog

Baerdog

Ah, well at least they have it on their to-do list somewhere.


#218

Shakey

Shakey

ScytheRexx said:
That is my fault, I will fix you up when I get home. I tried to make viable ranks but the issue is when we add you to the guild you get put into the lowest rank. If I see you online later I will promote you, Dave or Baerdog can also do it. Though considering you would want 4 bags I am starting to wish I made higher bank permissions. You can ask another Black Knight to get you our two extra bags and trade them with you.
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I tried putting my forum name and professions in the comments deal, but couldn't.


#219

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Shakey;417659][QUOTE=ScytheRexx said:
I tried putting my forum name and professions in the comments deal, but couldn't.
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Not even the public note?

Okay, when I get home I am just going to activate every check box other then demote, promote, remove member and the officer chat. Everyone will be able to edit everything else.


#220

Shakey

Shakey

I think that's it. Whatever it is when you click on someones name in the guild listing.


#221

Baerdog

Baerdog

Yeah for some reason its an officer only thing right now.


#222

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Baerdog said:
Yeah for some reason its an officer only thing right now.
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I am new to this whole GM thing, so have to bare with me. :p


#223

Baerdog

Baerdog

It's ok. The GL hat isn't one I've ever worn either. Always an officer, never a bride...or something.


#224

Piotyr

Piotyr

Just think of us as an army of back seat drivers.

You're doing it wrong!


#225

Baerdog

Baerdog

Piotyr, I still think Enchantertim is the best thing ever.

Also, I was talking to a good friend of mine yesterday and he will more than likely be reactivating his account and joining us on Ghostlands.


#226

Dave

Dave

I've been a GL before and I loved, then hated it. When it was small it was great, but when we started growing came the drama. :tina:

I hated :tina:


#227

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

That is why I want to keep it small. At the most I want around 20 people, enough for two 10-man groups that we can mess with and even mix up thanks to the new per-boss lockout system. In Cataclysm the loot between 10-man and 25-man is going to be the same, with the difference being quantity of loot dropped. This means we don't have to force ourselves into the 25-man where the logistics factor can often lead to more tension.

The biggest issue will be having a good class/role spread. I know I can fill one tank or healer role down the line, but no one else has offered just this yet. I don't want to force anyone to take roles they don't want, so I figured we can play it by ear until raids start to matter again, which won't be for a few months, and then discuss options.


#228

Dave

Dave

Once Nihsen gets to level 80 I'd be willing to roll a War. I like tanking.

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Actually, don't we have a LOT of DKs & Pallys? We should have tanking down fine. It's healing we need and I suck at that.


#229

Shakey

Shakey

My internet pretty much excludes me from tanking and healing, and I've never even set foot in a ten-man so I have no idea if I'd even be able to cut it as DPS.


#230

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Dave said:
[/COLOR]Actually, don't we have a LOT of DKs & Pallys? We should have tanking down fine. It's healing we need and I suck at that.
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I actually find healing to be way easier then tanking.

Tanking you have to worry about aggro generation, strong EH, blowing lots of cooldowns when appropriate, picking up additional creatures that may spawn, keeping pace. You have to be totally aware of everything around you. Often when a healer or dps dies, a group can rebound. If a tank dies though, you might as well wipe. It is a lot of pressure.

Healing requires nearly as much spacial awareness, but the game itself often comes down to a glorified whack-a-mole. Get a mod like Healbot and such a comparison becomes even more apt, since you will basically be reacting to the health bars as they raise and drop, keeping an eye on the boss for larger attacks that may require you to begin casting a heal while the boss charges up his evil fist of terror attack.

If you wanted to try, make a healer and simply dungeon queue. I did that for my druid and learned a lot more about healing then the few times I tried it on my 80 shaman. I felt I had more room for error, allowing me to learn rather then being thrown into the end game.

DPS is always a no-brainer. Blow everything you have and stay out of the fire. ;)


#231

Piotyr

Piotyr

I really enjoy healing, but I ended WoW on a terrible raid healing experience. I will plan on having a priest, though.

EDIT: Plus, with the changes they're planning on making regarding mana regen, the whack-a-mole mentality should be lessened somewhat.

EDIT 2: As for my healing strategies in raids, here's kind of how it evolved through the years:

- Release WOW (MC, ONY, BWL, ZG, AQ): If you are not the tank, do not expect heals. Each tank is assigned 1-2 healers. Healers will heal tanks on a small rotation when necessary to last the whole fight. If you pull aggro from the tank, you will be allowed to die so the healers don't pull aggro next.
- BC WOW 10 (GL, KZ): Each tank gets a healer, third healer when necessary is there to spot players as necessary. We'll heal you when we can, but an occasional bandage is nice.
- BC WOW (SSC, TK, BT): Each tank is assigned a dedicated healer, with an additional spot healer, with the raid getting maybe a healer or two (or not if we're stacking DPS to push a fight down). On AOE heavy fights, raid healing was more of a priority, obv.
- LK WOW (NAX, EE, ULD): Tank healers spam heals on tanks, raid healers spam AOE heals on raid, mana became much less of an issue, so as long as you weren't a total idiot you'd stay alive with regular healing. In emergency situations, switch heal targets to heavy damage.

EDIT 3: So I'm actually kind of hoping healing reverts to a release/early BC state so it's less like whack-a-mole triage and more strategic.


#232

Baerdog

Baerdog

ScytheRexx said:
The biggest issue will be having a good class/role spread. I know I can fill one tank or healer role down the line, but no one else has offered just this yet. I don't want to force anyone to take roles they don't want, so I figured we can play it by ear until raids start to matter again, which won't be for a few months, and then discuss options.
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While I'm leveling retribution right now, I plan on having a protection spec for the end game as well. Really, once I get Aureon to Outland I'd be willing to level up another alt to fill any class gaps we may have. Except druid; I'd like to wait for Cata so I can roll one as a worgen.

If someone feels like giving me 1000g I could dual spec protection right now and have 58 levels of practice tanking before endgame. >_>

Edit: Nevermind, apparently I have to wait until lvl 40 to dual spec.


#233

Shakey

Shakey

You can actually do ok tanking as ret while leveling. I was amazed at how many times a group wanted me to tank without a shield after the tank dropped out of the group. It actually worked just fine. The healer needs to know what they're doing and you have to be careful with pulls, but it worked. I even tanked Hellfire Ramps as ret with a 2-hander.


#234

Baerdog

Baerdog

Ah, that's good to hear. I actually have a decent shield and 1h axe right now that I can use (Bastion of Stormwind and Smite's Reaver). I've been itching to hop into a Deadmines, BFD, or SFK PUG to try out the tank thing though.


#235

Shakey

Shakey

At that low of a level I don't think protection talents help out all that much. As long as your 1-hand weapon skill is high enough so you aren't missing every hit you should be fine.


#236

Piotyr

Piotyr

Shakey said:
At that low of a level I don't think protection talents help out all that much. As long as your 1-hand weapon skill is high enough so you aren't missing every hit you should be fine.
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Oh God. *flashback twitches*


#237

Dream Goddess

Dream Goddess

I would like to be in your guild. What do you need the most in what faction on which server? I prefer healing, to be honest. ^.^


#238

Shakey

Shakey

Piotyr;417762][QUOTE=Shakey said:
At that low of a level I don't think protection talents help out all that much. As long as your 1-hand weapon skill is high enough so you aren't missing every hit you should be fine.
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Oh God. *flashback twitches*[/QUOTE]

It will be a beautiful day when those skills are gone.


#239

Dave

Dave

Dream Goddess said:
I would like to be in your guild. What do you need the most in what faction on which server? I prefer healing, to be honest. ^.^
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Ghostlands -> Alliance.

Not sure what we need right now. I'm working on seeing if I can get a Guild Mod for vBulletin for tracking.


#240

Piotyr

Piotyr

Last I checked, we needed more paladins and DKs...

EDIT: Seriously, though, play what you enjoy. If it fills a niche, fine, but no worries either way.


#241

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Piotyr said:
EDIT: Seriously, though, play what you enjoy. If it fills a niche, fine, but no worries either way.
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Yup we will work it all out, we are a guild that wants to just enjoy ourselves, not freak out that everything is not perfect.

If someone feels like giving me 1000g I could dual spec protection right now and have 58 levels of practice tanking before endgame. >_>
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I am holding off. They already confirmed they are lowering the required level and the cost to allow people an easier time offspeccing at lower levels. Would rather save most of my gold for epic flying.:D


#242

Piotyr

Piotyr

Shakey;417765][QUOTE=Piotyr;417762][QUOTE=Shakey said:
At that low of a level I don't think protection talents help out all that much. As long as your 1-hand weapon skill is high enough so you aren't missing every hit you should be fine.
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Oh God. *flashback twitches*[/QUOTE]

It will be a beautiful day when those skills are gone.[/QUOTE]

True horror story: I agreed to heal a Scholomance PUG once where the tank, after we entered the dungeon, decided he wanted to try out his new 1H. However, he didn't have an ounce of skill in the weapon. So, first pull, he misses, misses, misses, I heal him, pull aggro, fade, he misses, misses, misses, fade clears, mob comes back to me, wipe. Somehow, my fault for pulling aggro. He assumed I didn't take the threat talents which was why he wasn't holding threat.

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ScytheRexx said:
If someone feels like giving me 1000g I could dual spec protection right now and have 58 levels of practice tanking before endgame. >_>
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I am holding off. They already confirmed they are lowering the required level and the cost to allow people an easier time offspeccing at lower levels. Would rather save most of my gold for epic flying.:D
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EnchanterTim sees no need for an off spec, as fire is the only option.


#243

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Okay I logged on and changed a few things.

Everyone of Black Knight rank or higher can now promote, so if you invite someone you trust just promote them to Knight to give them nearly all the guild benefits. You will be unable to demote though, so if you find out the player is a drama hound or a troll, just tell myself or one of the officers to demote/kick. Eaten Minstrel will be kept around for the rare chance we may have to demote someone. Knight's can now edit public notes, but only Black Knight and above can edit officer notes. Everyone can see every note no matter the rank, so don't put something personal in there. :p

I changed up the banking slightly. As long as you are a Knight now, you can access the last tab and get five loots so newbies can stock on bags and the rabbit pet. The rest of the tabs are still lower until I figure out what a fair number will be for the various ranks.


#244



Odie

I will be coming on later this weekend, been away from the computer since Mon. and leaving for some vaca later tonight.

I perfer to heal and have a 80 priest (holy/Shadow), and 80 Pally (Tank/heals). My DK is my fun DPS spec. I should be starting a Warrior come Cata but that i plan as a dps again.


#245

Baerdog

Baerdog

Sounds good man.

So I took the dungeon LFG tool out for a spin last night, deciding to sign up as a tank for Deadmines and later Blackfathom Deeps. Holy cow, that thing works fast! I hardly had time to go repair after beginning my dungeon search before the game was telling me that my group was ready. I think this ease of finding groups is something I'm going to really like.


#246

Dave

Dave

Baerdog said:
Sounds good man.

So I took the dungeon LFG tool out for a spin last night, deciding to sign up as a tank for Deadmines and later Blackfathom Deeps. Holy cow, that thing works fast! I hardly had time to go repair after beginning my dungeon search before the game was telling me that my group was ready. I think this ease of finding groups is something I'm going to really like.
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It works fast because you were a tank. Do the same thing as a DPS and watch how long it takes.


#247

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Yup. Tanking is one of those jobs few people like to do, so they already are in high demand for the dungeon queue. Healers come a close second with a slight wait. DPS is a dime a dozen, so you have to wait longer with DPS and it gets worst during certain level ranges. Really, if you plan to level through the dungeon tool, be a tank or healer, it would be good practice anyways if you ever decided to take one of those roles later.

On Tichondrius at the end game, I have a ten second wait on my tanking classes, a two minute wait on my healer classes, and a fifteen minute wait on all my DPS.


#248

Baerdog

Baerdog

I...I kinda like the tanking thing. This is the first time I've really given it a whirl but I think I could do this. Granted, I need some practice but that will come with time. I've found a some paladin blogs and a couple that deal with prot specifically that have had some interesting things. Now if only I could get a group where the warlock didn't insist on running ahead of me and grabbing aggro on everything. >_<


#249

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

running ahead of me and grabbing aggro on everything. >_<
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Tell the healer not to heal him and let him die. He will learn.


#250

Dei

Dei

If a DPS is not grouped with a healer, and he is being retarded /whisper the healer and tell him to let the DPS die. Sometimes dying a few times calms them down. :p


#251

Dave

Dave

As a rogue I learned quickly to let the tank build up aggro. Otherwise our initial burst damage made the monsters go, "Hmmm. THIS guy looks tasty!"


#252

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Tell the healer not to heal him and let him die. He will learn.
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This is even easier when the healer so happens to be your wife. :D

Just a week or so ago, I ran an Underbog PuG without my wife as my healer. We killed the last boss and some tanking shoulders dropped (we are talking stamina and defense, with very little strength) and the Death Knight in the group rolled need and took them, even though they were an upgrade to my existing tank shoulders. The rest of the group and I told him he should allow the person that would get the most use out of the shoulders to have them since he got all the loot prior to the last boss and his original shoulders were better for DPS anyways, but he instead dropped group.

An hour later my wife was finally home and we both decided to queue for a dungeon. We got Crypts and that same Death Knight appeared as one of the DPS. I knew it was going to be time to have a little fun, so I told my wife not to buff him or heal him, and I stood around for a minute. He grew impatient so I told him "Well you got some nice tanking shoulders, go tank." and so he did, and died. My wife refused to ress him, and when asked why, she said "because I am with the tank, we don't like ninjas". He was forced to run back, my wife and I laughing.

The rest of the time he stood behind, making sure not to get aggro since I was not pulling off him and my wife was not healing him. Once we got to the first boss I decided I was not going to let him has a chance to get some loot, so I initiated a vote kick and he was gone when all of us voted him out.

Yes, I can be vindictive sometimes. I don't like people taking loot they don't need over someone that does need it, whether it is me getting the shaft or someone else. I literally stopped a group once to make a druid give a staff to a priest because he already had the heirloom staff.


#253

Dave

Dave

I have a very interesting and most of the times detrimental habit of not hitting need even though I should. I always feel bad when I hit need.


#254

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Dave said:
I have a very interesting and most of the times detrimental habit of not hitting need even though I should. I always feel bad when I hit need.
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I have a rule.

Need if you need.
Greed if you don't.
If you need and someone gets upset about it when you win, talk to them, compare what you have have with what he has, and then either keep the item or give it to him since he needed it more.

In the end, just be fair. Don't take something obviously designed for another role, unless the person(s) fulfilling that role don't need it and pass/greed it. No one will bite at you unless you, for instance, steal tanking gear from a tank, healing trinkets from a healer, etc... I once had a Mage take this from a healer in a PuG, and that is just not cool. Just be aware, be fair, and have fun.


#255

Piotyr

Piotyr

Baerdog said:
I...I kinda like the tanking thing. This is the first time I've really given it a whirl but I think I could do this. Granted, I need some practice but that will come with time. I've found a some paladin blogs and a couple that deal with prot specifically that have had some interesting things. Now if only I could get a group where the warlock didn't insist on running ahead of me and grabbing aggro on everything. >_<
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Soon enough I'll catch up enough to run with you. Then it'll just be me grabbing aggro on everything, and it will be totally within character. :)


#256

Baerdog

Baerdog

That'll be fun. I've been reading some of the stuff on Maintankadin during my lunch break/downtimes (which has been nearly all day) and have been finding it to be very informative. A lot of it is out of my league right now, but it'll definitely be useful when I get to 80.


#257

Dei

Dei

One of my biggest pet peeves is mainspec asking if they can need on loot in 5 mans. Especially if it's a single leather class in a group. I can understand not wanting to be rude, but it just bugs me.


#258

Baerdog

Baerdog

On the other hand, I approve when an offspec asks to need on the same thing that a mainspec is also needing for. It's polite.


#259

Dei

Dei

Asking to need on offspec is not the same as asking to need on mainspec though. Though, I usually don't ask to roll on offspec, I just wait to see if anyone else rolls need first.


#260

Baerdog

Baerdog

Yeah, I understand that and that's fair. I think everyone agrees that people should just not be dicks about loot.


#261

Dei

Dei

The most annoying thing about RDF is when "only allowed to roll on your own armor type" kicks in, and you're a resto druid who could really use that piece of cloth, but you can't roll need, so you greed but it goes to DE. You usually can't type "Can I get that if no one needs it" fast enough for people to not instinctively hit the DE button. It's not that bad if you don't have an enchanter at least. (Same applies to holy pallies and mail)


#262

Dave

Dave

I'd annoy you, then. I very nearly almost ask.


#263

Piotyr

Piotyr

Dave said:
I'd annoy you, then. I very nearly almost ask.
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I fully anticipate being a greedy sonufabitch enchanter that rolls need on everything in the name of shards and dust.


#264

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

I tend to kick JC's that roll need on gems. Especially if they do it twice.


#265

Baerdog

Baerdog

That reminds me, I'm in the market for shadowgems right now. If anyone comes across any I'll buy them from you.


#266

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Asking to roll need on mainspec is a bit nuts. I never ask if I really do need it. I only ask when rolling for my offspec.

I tend to kick JC's that roll need on gems. Especially if they do it twice.
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hehe you would hate me, I rolled need on every gem I could leveling up to save money. No one ever said anything though until I got to Blackrock Depths and someone asked why I was rolling on all the Prismatic Black Diamonds. I told him I was using them to level JC and he had no issue with it after that.

The most annoying thing about RDF is when "only allowed to roll on your own armor type" kicks in, and you're a resto druid who could really use that piece of cloth, but you can't roll need, so you greed but it goes to DE. You usually can't type "Can I get that if no one needs it" fast enough for people to not instinctively hit the DE button. It's not that bad if you don't have an enchanter at least. (Same applies to holy pallies and mail)
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While annoying now, it won't be a huge deal in Cataclysm since they are making mastery penalties for wearing gear under your recommend armor level. With how important mastery is going to be, that can gimp you, unless the lower armor class is leaps and bounds above what you had.


#267

Shakey

Shakey

After leveling a JC, I wouldn't get upset with someone needing on a gem. That was the most annoying profession I've leveled.


#268

sixpackshaker

sixpackshaker

What ticked me off about it, is that engineers, blacksmiths and other need those gems at early levels too. They can get out there and mine like the rest of them.


#269

Dave

Dave

I'm a big mining guy. You let me know what you need and I'll give them to you instead of AHing them.


#270

Shannow

Shannow

If you guys are actually going to play, I can bring a character over.


#271

Baerdog

Baerdog

sixpackshaker said:
What ticked me off about it, is that engineers, blacksmiths and other need those gems at early levels too. They can get out there and mine like the rest of them.
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If the engineers and blacksmiths need the gems too, maybe they should roll need also?


#272

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

sixpackshaker said:
What ticked me off about it, is that engineers, blacksmiths and other need those gems at early levels too. They can get out there and mine like the rest of them.
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If they need them, then they should roll need. That is kind of what "need" is about. :p

*beaten by Baerdog, doh!


#273

Shakey

Shakey

Shannow said:
If you guys are actually going to play, I can bring a character over.
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Well, we have people playing now. If you're worried about wasting your money, you could always start a new character for now and transfer if it works out. I don't think we have any 80's right now anyways. Do we?


#274

Baerdog

Baerdog

No, I think Nihsen is the highest level character at 77.


#275

Dave

Dave

78.

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And Shannow, if you switch a character and we fizzle out within 3 months I'll PayPal you $25.


#276

Vrii

Vrii

Baerdog said:
That'll be fun. I've been reading some of the stuff on Maintankadin during my lunch break/downtimes (which has been nearly all day) and have been finding it to be very informative. A lot of it is out of my league right now, but it'll definitely be useful when I get to 80.
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Maintankadin is a fantastic site. My main is a prot pally, and that's the best source I've found for info.

If you end up with any questions about it, feel free to hit me up as well. I can't spare the time to join you guys and play, but I'm happy to help out in other ways!


#277

Docseverin

Docseverin

When someone who can invite comes on, I will be on Flintchip my Dwarf Hunter. I asked someone for an invite today and he wasn't very nice about it.


#278

Shannow

Shannow

Ill see about xferring my human paladin (80 - holy main spec, ret off spec) when I get back from Mayhemfest in Connecticut on Sunday.





..oh...and HAI DAVE!!!


#279

Dave

Dave

Docseverin said:
When someone who can invite comes on, I will be on Flintchip my Dwarf Hunter. I asked someone for an invite today and he wasn't very nice about it.
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Who was it?


#280

Shannow

Shannow

Your mom.



BONG!!!






...I am here all week, folks.


#281

Docseverin

Docseverin

It was in fact not Daves mom, as Shannow has insinuated.


#282

Dave

Dave

Just a note. Tankology is a totally new guy. It sounds like he didn't realize you were asking for a Guild invite if he said the group was full.

Still, no need to be a dick.


#283

Shannow

Shannow



#284

Piotyr

Piotyr

Sorry if you asked me for an invite, as I was on and off AFK all night.


#285

ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

I will be on later tonight if you need and invite, just message me on Lakaru. We do have a few newer guys, and I noticed one or two are completely new to the game, so they probably didn't understand what you were asking. Sorry about that.


#286

Shannow

Shannow

server xfer in progress.


#287

Shannow

Shannow

Cute, some dick has my name on a low level alt. ah well.


#288

Dei

Dei

I transferred over an old lvl 70 priest of mine, but I don't know how much I'll actually be on during "prime time" hours since if I'm playing WoW in the evening it's raiding on my horde priest or playing with my husband on our RL friend server.


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