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Cajungal

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I'm a little baffled by some people's reaction to Michelle Obama's speech at Booker T Washington. Some of my parents' friends are saying she's inciting class warfare by saying "rich kids already know this stuff." (Stuff like 'get your education.') I won't say it was the most gracefully - put statement, but I feel like the idea she was going for is, "people expect children from rich families to go to school, and they're more encouraged." This was reinforced by a story about a counselor who discouraged her.

I don't know. Just seems like something that's being blown out of proportion. I don't think she wants them to hate rich people--just understand that they might have obstacles that others dont.

Anyway. I don't know why I have so many of my mom's friends on Facebook.
 
"rich kids already know this stuff."
I saw it more as the reverse, where it is not that they know it because they are rich, but that they are rich because they know it.
Alternatively, the rich kids know it because they come from rich families where the family is rich because they know it...that "knowing it" is a self-perpetuating culture thing that is passed down from generation to generation.

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I saw it more as the reverse, where it is not that they know it because they are rich, but that they are rich because they know it.
Alternatively, the rich kids know it because they come from rich families where the family is rich because they know it...that "knowing it" is a self-perpetuating culture thing that is passed down from generation to generation.

--Patrick
Works wonders in Asian cultures/families
 
"rich kids already know this stuff.".
She could have stated it better because it does come across as class resentment. It is true that educated folks tend to be richer and thus know what is takes to get "rich". I also had zero help from my guidance counselor is H.S. I came to find out later she did go out of her way to help the "good" kids. My folks did not go to college and knew nothing about it; so they were of no help. I thought scholarships were just given away for good grades. I had decent grades so I thought that I would get one. That was lesson 1. Then, I got to college and thought that I could get a grant because I couldn't afford the tuition. I found out that they base that on your parents' income. My folks were 200k in debt due to my medical bills from a wreck so they couldn't help. No grants. Lesson 2. Credit card companies and banks will loan you a shit-ton of money that you will pay back the rest of your life. Lesson 3.

My kids will know what it takes. They won't be surprised. They will also know which degrees are worthless too.
 
I can't help but think that our high school education system needs classes on life finances. Not just budgeting, but what's involved in paying for continuing education, getting grants, etc. What employers expect and what you should expect (workplace laws, taxes, etc). What renting or buying a house involves. Loans for cars. Comparison of all these various options (rent/buy, lease/mortgage). Insurance programs (health, car, home, rent, etc) including how to assess risk/benefit. A brief overview of how one starts a business without running afoul of the laws and regulations. How to deal with and recover from financial emergencies without making mistakes that will cost you your credit, or worsen/lengthen the emergency.

This is all stuff that much of the middle class knows, and some of it is taught to their children, most is simply learned when kids ask questions when they are faced with a new situation.

But I'm guessing that there are a lot of people that simply have no idea. They may follow a path that society suggests (car, college, job, marriage, home) and they may get adequate advice along the way, but it only takes a simple mistake (buying a manufactured home on a rental lot hoping you can sell it in two years) to make someone stumble, and without this knowledge they may get to a point where they can't recover. Those who choose an alternate path through life are at an even worse disadvantage.

Then you get to the kids raised in poverty who only have the example of their parents and those around them to work from, and to seek advice from. It's not that their parents are bad, or the advice is worthless, but in some situations the knowledge is only enough to survive. It doesn't provide a way out. College seems out of reach for one reason or another, and even if you do get into it, you don't have the skills to succeed without a lot of external support.

Just basic financial information would probably revolutionize the next generation's economy.
I know that my local school district used to mandate teaching kids how to write checks, how a credit card works and how/when to use it, and how to balance a budget... but in middle school, for some fucking reason.
 
I can't help but think that our high school education system needs classes on life finances. Not just budgeting, but what's involved in paying for continuing education, getting grants, etc. What employers expect and what you should expect (workplace laws, taxes, etc). What renting or buying a house involves. Loans for cars. Comparison of all these various options (rent/buy, lease/mortgage). Insurance programs (health, car, home, rent, etc) including how to assess risk/benefit. A brief overview of how one starts a business without running afoul of the laws and regulations. How to deal with and recover from financial emergencies without making mistakes that will cost you your credit, or worsen/lengthen the emergency.

This is all stuff that much of the middle class knows, and some of it is taught to their children, most is simply learned when kids ask questions when they are faced with a new situation.

But I'm guessing that there are a lot of people that simply have no idea. They may follow a path that society suggests (car, college, job, marriage, home) and they may get adequate advice along the way, but it only takes a simple mistake (buying a manufactured home on a rental lot hoping you can sell it in two years) to make someone stumble, and without this knowledge they may get to a point where they can't recover. Those who choose an alternate path through life are at an even worse disadvantage.

Then you get to the kids raised in poverty who only have the example of their parents and those around them to work from, and to seek advice from. It's not that their parents are bad, or the advice is worthless, but in some situations the knowledge is only enough to survive. It doesn't provide a way out. College seems out of reach for one reason or another, and even if you do get into it, you don't have the skills to succeed without a lot of external support.

Just basic financial information would probably revolutionize the next generation's economy.

I do sometimes think that the education system should be slightly more practical life skills and knowledge and a little less theory; that all depends on one's opinion of what is important.
 

Cajungal

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I was always envious of my grandmother and grandfather for having home ec and woodworking classes. I'd have looked forward to that every day.
 
I was always envious of my grandmother and grandfather for having home ec and woodworking classes. I'd have looked forward to that every day.
Home Ec got dropped from a lot of curriculum because no one was taking it and it often required expensive things (like stoves and washing machines) to do. Woodworking, metalworking, and Tech Ed are still taught in schools, but it's usually at a separate technical institution you have to apply to. You'll do your normal classes at your main school, then get bussed to the tech building a couple of times a week to working on welding or nursing or whatever it is you want to do. Students going to the tech school are Tech Prep, students who are going to apply to a college are College Prep and get harder academic courses.

Or at least that's how we do it here in my school district (South Western City Schools).
 
I made chili for the final in my cooking class in high school. I still use the recipe. We even had a cheese tasting. It's where I first got to try brie. The only thing I remember coming out awful was a cake or quick bread my group made that didn't rise.
 
I made chili for the final in my cooking class in high school. I still use the recipe. We even had a cheese tasting. It's where I first got to try brie. The only thing I remember coming out awful was a cake or quick bread my group made that didn't rise.
When I was a senior, the class had a Vietnamese lady from town show how to make Vietnamese-style egg rolls. She made a bunch early and stashed them in the freezer for the Home-ec students. They mysteriously disappeared. :ninja:
 
It's only 47f outside right now, and I love it. I'd be OK with this weather all year.
A breezy 94f with a heat index of 104f.

Know that I hate you just a little right now. It's nothing serious, nothing really required on your end of the deal, other than enjoying the weather that passes for winter around here.
 
It's the one year anniversary of the really bad flooding we had in Colorado. Also it might snow tomorrow night. I do not know WTF has been up with the weather this summer.
 
I'm actually afraid to venture out right now. The Wisconsin River was pretty high this morning, and after all the rain we got today (over 2" from most reporting stations), I'm sure it's at flood stage.
 

Zappit

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So the MSN home page is apparently getting a makeover, and wanted feedback. I said the new look was ugly, stated they shouldn't make the change, and if they did, I probably wouldn't visit the site anymore.

Less than a day later, I suddenly can't access the page in Safari, which is the browser I used to send the feedback. Going on a couple days now. Chrome/etc... Works fine.

Curiouser and curiouser...
 
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