Gas Bandit's Political Thread V: The Vampire Likes Bats

[Krisken]

You know that guy, Griffith, who Gas is so excited switched to the Republican party? Yeah, all but one member of his staff decided they would rather be unemployed than work for him and waited for the break to be over so they could say so in public.

This just in: "People who aren't that one guy have different opinion". [/QUOTE]
It's funny because most of the people in that area aren't thrilled with his switch, Democrat or Republican. The Dems lose a number but felt he voted against too many of their initiatives anyways, and the Repubs in the area plan to oust the guy during the primaries with their own guy. We'll see if that race runs like the Scozifava race in New York.

 

[Krisken]

No Gas, the rich can and will attempt to subvert our legal system when possible and have done it time and time again. Money talks and people listen.

What makes you think that government would do any different when it has the money instead of the private sector? At least in the private sector, you can play the rich off one another and achieve some semblance of balance, whereas when the government becomes the only one with money or power, tyranny becomes entrenched and can only be removed by blood.

Furthermore, you say class warfare like it's a bad thing. In any society where a small fraction of the population holds the majority of the wealth or resources, class war of some sort is an inevitable outcome. We've only managed to avoid that in the US by danging a carrot of "you can be wealthy too!......maybe" in front of the poor long enough.

By your logic, we're doomed to eternal class warfare in every system, because every system entails a minority holding the wealth, resources or power (yes, even communism, someone has to be the commisariat after all). However, our own history does not bear you out - in times where capitalism has been allowed to flourish but is forced to compete with itself, there has been peace and prosperity to go around. It is when government starts trying to bend capitalism to its political aims that cogs start flying off and we all suffer, as we are now. Someone WILL be in charge, someone WILL be rich, someone WILL be powerful. Shouldn't you, I, or anyone else have as much a chance at that? That's what capitalism is about. To deny that power and wealth consolidates, no matter the system, is simply to be willfully ignorant. Do not forget the (until very recently) amazing multitude of economic mobility that the US has imparted upon its citizens.

And Ash, I agree fully with you sentiments. I'd love to believe that if we left things to private citizens, they'd step up and do just as good or better than the Government can. But that's not true. Private enterprises will always seek to maximize profit and cut losses, which may engender deficient quality of service for customers who can't afford the 'elite' package.

Which is why Exxon isn't sinking hundreds of millions into renewable alternative energy. Oops, they are. Well, it's why Bill Gates didn't start the Gates Foundation. Ooops, he did. Well, it's why wal-mart is not the nation's top corporate charity donor. Oops, it is. Sorry Wolf, as above, your assertions don't bear up to even casual scrutiny.

Furthermore, as we're going to see in health care (and some already are), when you try to satisfy universal demand with limited resource, and enforce equality across the board, it means equally miserable service for all. Under socialism, economics is a 0 sum game. Under capitalism, wealth is generated. Not everybody will be able to afford the best, but at least some will - those who have striven to achieve and taken advantage of the opportunities they were presented. Those who don't are still free to enjoy the same squalor they'd inflict on everyone else in the name of equality (misery loves company after all)... but they have no one to blame but themselves.[/QUOTE]
It has nothing to do with a few individuals and you know it. Those things are put in place because they get more in tax breaks for it. It also helps with PR (which is something Gates suffered with until he finally started donating cash). I like how you ignore everything that doesn't support your claim and go for the weakest opposing argument. What is that called again?

 

[Covar]

No Gas, the rich can and will attempt to subvert our legal system when possible and have done it time and time again. Money talks and people listen.

What makes you think that government would do any different when it has the money instead of the private sector? At least in the private sector, you can play the rich off one another and achieve some semblance of balance, whereas when the government becomes the only one with money or power, tyranny becomes entrenched and can only be removed by blood.

Furthermore, you say class warfare like it's a bad thing. In any society where a small fraction of the population holds the majority of the wealth or resources, class war of some sort is an inevitable outcome. We've only managed to avoid that in the US by danging a carrot of "you can be wealthy too!......maybe" in front of the poor long enough.

By your logic, we're doomed to eternal class warfare in every system, because every system entails a minority holding the wealth, resources or power (yes, even communism, someone has to be the commisariat after all). However, our own history does not bear you out - in times where capitalism has been allowed to flourish but is forced to compete with itself, there has been peace and prosperity to go around. It is when government starts trying to bend capitalism to its political aims that cogs start flying off and we all suffer, as we are now. Someone WILL be in charge, someone WILL be rich, someone WILL be powerful. Shouldn't you, I, or anyone else have as much a chance at that? That's what capitalism is about. To deny that power and wealth consolidates, no matter the system, is simply to be willfully ignorant. Do not forget the (until very recently) amazing multitude of economic mobility that the US has imparted upon its citizens.

And Ash, I agree fully with you sentiments. I'd love to believe that if we left things to private citizens, they'd step up and do just as good or better than the Government can. But that's not true. Private enterprises will always seek to maximize profit and cut losses, which may engender deficient quality of service for customers who can't afford the 'elite' package.

Which is why Exxon isn't sinking hundreds of millions into renewable alternative energy. Oops, they are. Well, it's why Bill Gates didn't start the Gates Foundation. Ooops, he did. Well, it's why wal-mart is not the nation's top corporate charity donor. Oops, it is. Sorry Wolf, as above, your assertions don't bear up to even casual scrutiny.

Furthermore, as we're going to see in health care (and some already are), when you try to satisfy universal demand with limited resource, and enforce equality across the board, it means equally miserable service for all. Under socialism, economics is a 0 sum game. Under capitalism, wealth is generated. Not everybody will be able to afford the best, but at least some will - those who have striven to achieve and taken advantage of the opportunities they were presented. Those who don't are still free to enjoy the same squalor they'd inflict on everyone else in the name of equality (misery loves company after all)... but they have no one to blame but themselves.[/QUOTE]
It has nothing to do with a few individuals and you know it. Those things are put in place because they get more in tax breaks for it. It also helps with PR (which is something Gates suffered with until he finally started donating cash). I like how you ignore everything that doesn't support your claim and go for the weakest opposing argument. What is that called again?[/QUOTE]
you're right. we should get rid of all tax incentives for people and companies so that those evil, evil companies can give all their money to the government instead of charitable organizations. Great idea.

I can't believe that you're actually bitter about people being charitable.

 

[tegid]

What? I don't read that in Krisken's post. He's just saying that those examples don't mean people will do good when left alone, because they weren't left alone nor did they do that altruistically. They did it for their own profit because they had incentives.

 

[GasBandit]

Need I remind you guys what the statistics are every year about charitable donations according to party affiliation?

 

[Krisken]

What? I don't read that in Krisken's post. He's just saying that those examples don't mean people will do good when left alone, because they weren't left alone nor did they do that altruistically. They did it for their own profit because they had incentives.

Exactly. Thank you tegid.

Damn, Covar, I have no idea how you got that from my post.

 

[Krisken]

Need I remind you guys what the statistics are every year about charitable donations according to party affiliation?

The majority of rich people are registered Republican, if I recall correctly. It also helps that the top 1% own 42% of the nations wealth (2007).

Still not sure why you're so upset about estate taxes, Gas. Aren't you the one who says people should earn what they get?

 

[GasBandit]

Did you hear this gem from John McLaughlin, host of The McLaughlin Group? He hosted some sort of 2009 awards special, and part of that included a panel of people opining as to what they thought was the "most overrated" political issue of 2009. McLaughlin's answer was freedom. Here's the exact quote: "The most overrated is freedom ... When faced with economic uncertainty, people don't want freedom. When they can't see their economic future, they want the nanny state."

Here's a great piece from the Wall Street Journal: Intelligence Is a Terrible Thing to Waste.

Should we be waterboarding the Underwear-bomber?

If DHS isn't researching how to stop terrorists, what will it research?

After the bombing attempt on Christmas Day, dozens of people have since been added to the no-fly list.

The TSA has spent $40 billion on aviation security since 2004, and what does it have to show for it?

George Will explains an interesting eminent domain battle in New York. Who knew the word "blight" could do so much damage?

The failures of the Obama administration and a Democrat Congress have managed to move this country to the right.

This is absolutely the best possibly way that I could think to spend $340 million of taxpayer money. Don't ya think?

Reminder - Republicans aren't much better than democrats when the chips are down.

Ben Bernanke says that it was lapses in regulatory oversight rather than loose monetary policy that stoked the US housing bubble. You mean, the lapses in regulatory oversight as in being told 3 times on separate occasions by various experts plus the president of the united states that Freddie and Fannie were going to be in trouble? When you block something more than twice, it stops being oversight and starts being policy. Looking at you, Barney Frank and Chris Dodd.

Lying to the government about your income? Not a problem if you are applying for Obama's Making Home Affordable program.

Uh oh. Whole Foods CEO John Mackey rattled some cages with his WSJ op-ed about Obamacare, now we come to find that he is a man-made global warming denier? More boxers in a bunch.

The Obama administration seems to have a real issue with security.

First we had federal stimulus money going to Congressional districts that do not exist. Now nonexistent zip codes are getting federal stimulus money!

Remember Kurt Westergaard? He's the cartoonist that got Muslim panties in a wad over his Muhammad cartoon. An axe-wielding islamic goon drove him to his panic room. Without his grandbaby.

 

[GasBandit]

Still not sure why you're so upset about estate taxes, Gas. Aren't you the one who says people should earn what they get?

Which is why I say the government should not TAKE it from the estate of who earned it to give it to someone who did not earn it. If I earn it, and I want it to go to my kids, that's my business. I earned the money, I paid taxes on it already.

And remember, 1% of America is still 3 million people. It's not like it's one smoky board room full of fat white guys planning out how to keep down the poor, poor pitiful poor.

The graph is also misleading in that it makes it look like the rich are liquid, when in fact most of their worth is tied up in their company, which if it goes south, so do they.

 

[Espy]

Still not sure why you're so upset about estate taxes, Gas. Aren't you the one who says people should earn what they get?

Which is why I say the government should not TAKE it from the estate of who earned it to give it to someone who did not earn it. If I earn it, and I want it to go to my kids, that's my business. I earned the money, I paid taxes on it already.[/QUOTE]

A) Obviously if someone else wants it they should get it
and
B) Sure you paid taxes on it but you clearly didn't pay ENOUGH taxes on it. We'll be sure to let you know when you have. Until then, keep that sweet moolah coming!

 

[Krisken]

Still not sure why you're so upset about estate taxes, Gas. Aren't you the one who says people should earn what they get?

Which is why I say the government should not TAKE it from the estate of who earned it to give it to someone who did not earn it. If I earn it, and I want it to go to my kids, that's my business. I earned the money, I paid taxes on it already.

And remember, 1% of America is still 3 million people. It's not like it's one smoky board room full of fat white guys planning out how to keep down the poor, poor pitiful poor.

The graph is also misleading in that it makes it look like the rich are liquid, when in fact most of their worth is tied up in their company, which if it goes south, so do they.[/QUOTE]
No one said they are trying to actively keep down the poor, but I like that you pretend I did. It is a byproduct of capitalism. Make more, spend more, have more. It doesn't encourage companies to treat people as human, just profit possibilities.

And no, the graph isn't misleading. When those companies go south, those people still get their payments. The people who get screwed is the rest of us, with our 401K plans tied into their stocks. My mother lost over half of her retirement in the bank crisis. Bank CEO's got bonuses. See why I have such an issue when you lie about how the rich are so threatened?

 

[GasBandit]

No one said they are trying to actively keep down the poor, but I like that you pretend I did. It is a byproduct of capitalism. Make more, spend more, have more. It doesn't encourage companies to treat people as human, just profit possibilities.

And no, the graph isn't misleading. When those companies go south, those people still get their payments. The people who get screwed is the rest of us, with our 401K plans tied into their stocks. My mother lost over half of her retirement in the bank crisis. Bank CEO's got bonuses. See why I have such an issue when you lie about how the rich are so threatened?

I didn't say they weren't rich, I said that they weren't entirely liquid. But thanks for throwing in the appeal to emotion fallacy.

BTW, the heads of Freddie and Fannie are STILL getting 6 million in bonuses. Government looks out for its own, after all.

 

[WolfOfOdin]

Gas. when Capitalism is completely unrestrained and the government leaves it utterly alone, bad things will inevitably happen. Without the government holding a sword over their heads, companies would be free to abuse their workers as they saw fit as long as it increased their profit margins. Need I remind you that one of the times we let large companies do what every they damn well pleased, they more or less enslaved their workers in company towns, or used them up like expendable machinery.

No pure system will ever work as intended. The human element is just too much of a wild card for it to ever happen. A healthy mix of Capitalism AND Socialism however would work better, each balancing out their respective faults.

Also, yes I do acknowledge there will always be people at the top, just as there will always be people at the bottom, a society cannot function without people to do the scut work that needs doing. Until we perfect non-sentient robot slaves anyway.

And yes, as long as there are stark divisions between social classes, there will ALWAYS be anger and resentment and yes, possibly even violence. There will never be a day when a destitute person looks up at a rich person and worships them for being so successful. There will be jealousy and anger. That again is human nature, we are not content to be ruled without bitching about the rulers.

 

[Krisken]

No one said they are trying to actively keep down the poor, but I like that you pretend I did. It is a byproduct of capitalism. Make more, spend more, have more. It doesn't encourage companies to treat people as human, just profit possibilities.

And no, the graph isn't misleading. When those companies go south, those people still get their payments. The people who get screwed is the rest of us, with our 401K plans tied into their stocks. My mother lost over half of her retirement in the bank crisis. Bank CEO's got bonuses. See why I have such an issue when you lie about how the rich are so threatened?

I didn't say they weren't rich, I said that they weren't entirely liquid. But thanks for throwing in the appeal to emotion fallacy.

BTW, the heads of Freddie and Fannie are STILL getting 6 million in bonuses. Government looks out for its own, after all.[/QUOTE]
Gas, I would never try to appeal to your emotion. I know you have none

 

[GasBandit]

Gas, I would never try to appeal to your emotion. I know you have none

That's not true... bilious disdain counts as an emotion, doesn't it?

 

[GasBandit]

Well the Obama administration did manage to get one thing right. It decided to suspend the transfer of Gitmo detainees to Yemen. This one was a no-brainer. Especially considering The Times report that at least a dozen former Gitmo inmates rejoined al Qaeda to fight in Yemen. Of the 198 inmates held at Gitmo, 91 are from Yemen.

It took C-SPAN to call out the Democrats on their lack of transparency. We've been promised by Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi, that the days of secret meetings and backdoor politics were over. But then what happens? When they want to pass a disaster of a bill that more than half of America doesn't support, they lock themselves in the back chambers of Congress to iron out problems and get the job done. No cameras. No public. In fact, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are trying to figure out how they can bypass the conference committee process altogether! So the CEO of C-SPAN wrote a letter to Harry and Nancy urging them to open "all important negotiations, including any conference committee meetings," to televised coverage on his network. Now the question is ... will they comply? No way. Nancy Pelosi said at a press conference just yesterday, "There has never been a more open process for any legislation in anyone who serves here's experience."

Naturally, the ACLU is upset with the new tighter security measures at airports.

An extensive look at the differences between the House and Senate healthcare bills.

Gene Healy of the Cato Institute grades Barack Obama. I'll give you a hint - he doesn't get a B+.

Here's a scaring question to be asking about our own Commander-in-Chief: Does Obama "get" the terror war?

A good John Fund column on the global warming absurdity.

According to Barney Frank, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are now basically a "public policy instrument" of the government.

What do conservatives need to demand from government? Ed Feulner of the Heritage Foundation has some ideas.

Does it really matter whether or not the Obama administration calls it the "war on terror"? Yes, it does. Here's why.

As a whole, healthcare spending rose at the lowest rate (4.4%) on record in 2008. The same cannot be said for government, which increased its spending on healthcare by 10.7%.

The South Carolina GOP has censured Lindsey Graham AGAIN over his support for cap-and-trade legislation.

The Iranians don't want to talk to John Kerry.

After the bailout of the auto industry, non-bailed out auto companies are making profit. Guess which ones are not ....

Fifteen Muslim students in Dearborn, Michigan thought that this would be an appropriate sweatshirt to wear to their government school.

 

[Kitty Sinatra]

Cadillac Baby, how that woman loves to ride
Yeah, Cadillac Baby, how that woman loves to ride
She's crazy 'bout that hydromatic cause its such an easy ride

She loves her rollin, how she loves to ball the jack
Crazy bout her rollin, how she loves to ball the jack
She's crazy about that easy ridin, crazy bout that Cadillac

Turn on the radio and cruise on down the avenue
Yeah, turn on the radio and cruise on down the avenue
She's crazy about my caddy and I 'm crazy for my baby too

Well, long about midnight she came knockin on my door
Yeah, long about midnight she came knockin' on my door
Gotta take out that caddy, baby wants to ride some more

Yeah at night we went riding
Riding in the rain
She was my baby
And I was her man

She said honey ride a long long time
You rock so easy, so mellow and fine
If you get tired of ridin, give yourself a rest
Park it in the spot that your baby loves the best

Cadillac baby, how that woman loves to ride
yeah cadillac baby, How that woman loves to ride
Crazy bout that easy ridin' how she loves that cadillac

 

[@Li3n]

Especially considering The Times report that at least a dozen former Gitmo inmates rejoined al Qaeda to fight in Yemen.

I always found it funny how less then 10% of released Gitmo prisoners actually being with Al-Qaeda is considered proof that Gitmo is needed... just imagine is 90% of the normal prison pop was innocent of what they where arrested for.

 

[GasBandit]

Especially considering The Times report that at least a dozen former Gitmo inmates rejoined al Qaeda to fight in Yemen.

I always found it funny how less then 10% of released Gitmo prisoners actually being with Al-Qaeda is considered proof that Gitmo is needed... just imagine is 90% of the normal prison pop was innocent of what they where arrested for.

By your logic, a criminal who doesn't return to a life of crime after jail was innocent when he was imprisoned.

 

[North_Ranger]

Especially considering The Times report that at least a dozen former Gitmo inmates rejoined al Qaeda to fight in Yemen.

I always found it funny how less then 10% of released Gitmo prisoners actually being with Al-Qaeda is considered proof that Gitmo is needed... just imagine is 90% of the normal prison pop was innocent of what they where arrested for.

By your logic, a criminal who doesn't return to a life of crime after jail was innocent when he was imprisoned.[/QUOTE]

"Innocent until proven guilty" mean anything to you, mate?

It is my understanding that the majority of the people who are or have been in Gitmo have never actually been convicted. It's a detention center, not a prison.

 

[Krisken]

Especially considering The Times report that at least a dozen former Gitmo inmates rejoined al Qaeda to fight in Yemen.

I always found it funny how less then 10% of released Gitmo prisoners actually being with Al-Qaeda is considered proof that Gitmo is needed... just imagine is 90% of the normal prison pop was innocent of what they where arrested for.

By your logic, a criminal who doesn't return to a life of crime after jail was innocent when he was imprisoned.[/QUOTE]

"Innocent until proven guilty" mean anything to you, mate?

It is my understanding that the majority of the people who are or have been in Gitmo have never actually been convicted. It's a detention center, not a prison.[/QUOTE]
Gas needs to be protected from the evil boogie man who wants to subvert his way of life. You know, everyone who doesn't think like him.

 

[GasBandit]

When you have an intelligence tool like the CIA, you would hope that it would be focused on the collection of intelligence for the purposes of national security. I don't think that is too much to ask. Do you? Well apparently there are political operatives with a different idea in mind. The Obama administration announced just two days ago that the CIA is using some of its resources to track climate change. Yes, climate change. We can't track Islamic terrorists and suicide bombers ... and now The Community Organizer wants the CIA to track global warming.

Meanwhile ... in our quest to make Americans safer, here are a few more things we've learned:

• Less than one percent of the people the U.S. government has designated as "known or suspected terrorists" had been put on the "No Fly" list that the Department of Homeland Security uses to screen air travelers.
• " ... perhaps the biggest change Obama has made [in terrorism policy] is what one former adviser calls the "mood music" -- choice of language, outreach to Muslims, rhetorical fidelity to the rule of law and a shift in tone from the all-or-nothing days of the Bush administration."
• The Homeland Security Department's National Operations Center (NOC) is "unable" to do its job of ensuring coordination among the 22 federal agencies that make up the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and focuses too much on disaster management rather than terrorism prevention, according to its own inspector general.

In the Democrat plans to take over our healthcare system, the IRS will be given unprecedented new powers. For instance .. you will have to provide proof on your tax return every year that you have health insurance. Your tax return will expand to contain information on your health insurance status. What next? What other wonderful powers will the government grant to these IRS agents? Is this really the direction in which we should be going? We have government licenses to arrange flowers or babysit. In some states you need a license from the government to be able to tell someone whether or not their drapes match with their sofa. So ... why not a license to prepare taxes? The Democrats are set on giving the IRS even more power. Within the next few years, it will no longer be legal to have your taxes prepared by someone who isn't licensed by the government.

A US appeals court says that Gitmo suspects may be detained indefinitely so long as the government can show their ties to Al Qaeda or the Taliban.

Here's an excellent bit of research from the Heritage Foundation ... Why Government Spending Does Not Stimulate Economic Growth: Answering the Critics.

What about Obama's next stimulus plan? Or as he presented it, a "jobs plan"? It is sure to be just as ineffective as his last stimulus plans which relied on government spending on infrastructure.

The Pentagon released a report yesterday showing that even more terrorists than we originally though who were released from Gitmo return to terrorism.

The underwear bomber faces six charges for his attempt to blow up a Northwest flight on Christmas Day. I'm sure this news has struck fear into the hearts of jihadists around the world.

You'll enjoy this sound montage of Obama promising eight different times while on the campaign trail to televise the healthcare debates.

Interior Secretary Ken Salazar announced tougher restrictions on oil drilling.

Finally a decent use of our tax dollars ... $25 million in stimulus money will be used to buy and install full body scanners in airports this year. I guess even a blind pig finds an acorn every once in a while.

Here is an explanation of how Congress tinkered with tax withholding tables for 2010 to essentially get a bigger loan from the taxpayers upfront.

Here's an example of the free market working its magic, while government insists on wasting your tax dollars.

It is beyond me why a town would feel the need to ban yellow ribbons honoring soldiers.

The Chicago Police Department is seriously considering scrapping the police entrance exam. I'll give you one guess as to why ... race.

The census still includes the word "negro" and some people have a problem with this.

The Holocaust museum shooter has died in a prison hospital. One less goon we have to support with our tax dollars.

 

[makare]

Finally a decent use of our tax dollars ... $25 million in stimulus money will be used to buy and install full body scanners in airports this year. I guess even a blind pig finds an acorn every once in a while.

Maybe you are being sarcastic, I can't tell. But that is far from a decent use of tax dollars. Sigh. Spending money as a defense against something that anyone who really wants to can get around.


And most things are beyond you.

 

[Espy]

I have to agree... from everything I have heard the full body scanners are almost no deterrent to those who want to get around them as well as shockingly invasive of the individuals privacy. Maybe they should take that 25 million and hire people who know how to effectively profile or even better to hire a data entry person to put the known terrorists on the no fly list.

 

[GasBandit]

Finally a decent use of our tax dollars ... $25 million in stimulus money will be used to buy and install full body scanners in airports this year. I guess even a blind pig finds an acorn every once in a while.

Maybe you are being sarcastic, I can't tell. But that is far from a decent use of tax dollars. Sigh. Spending money as a defense against something that anyone who really wants to can get around.


And most things are beyond you.[/QUOTE]

I have to agree... from everything I have heard the full body scanners are almost no deterrent to those who want to get around them as well as shockingly invasive of the individuals privacy. Maybe they should take that 25 million and hire people who know how to effectively profile or even better to hire a data entry person to put the known terrorists on the no fly list.

Privacy Schmivacy, when it comes to air travel. In my opinion, anyone too self-conscious to go through a full body scanner should go greyhound. You don't have a constitutional right to air travel... you don't have to fly.

Pray tell, makare1, how does "anyone who wants to" fool the full body scanners?

Also, Espy, what have you read about full body scanners? I haven't read anything about deterrent, but I've read lots about how effective they are at quickly and thoroughly finding illicit items on a person.

And most things are beyond you.

No, you're a doody-head.

 

[Espy]

I've just been hearing on the radio mainly in the last few days that they don't stop people from getting things through them, it's all anacdotal not hard science, but if it's true it's hardly the best way to go about it. Having the RIGHT people on no-fly lists and good profiling seems a better solution.

 

[makare]

Gas not all the rights we enjoy were listed in the bill of rights. Alot of them are supplied by state statute and state constitution. So stop harping on "you dont have a constitutional right to this or that".

The people who want to do bad things always find a way to do them. All those kinds of scans do is make things miserable for everyone else.

And instead of being childish you could accept that you have little understanding of most things, and I don't know, try and change and educate yourself. But I won't hold my breath.

 

[GasBandit]

Gas not all the rights we enjoy were listed in the bill of rights. Alot of them are supplied by state statute and state constitution. So stop harping on "you dont have a constitutional right to this or that".

These days, people need to be reminded they're entitled to very little.

The people who want to do bad things always find a way to do them. All those kinds of scans do is make things miserable for everyone else.

By your logic, any form of security at all is pointless and inconvenient, so we may as well do away with it all completely because "the people who want to do bad things always find a way." You'll have to pardon me if I don't go along.

And instead of being childish you could accept that you have little understanding of most things, and I don't know, try and change and educate yourself. But I won't hold my breath.

Right back atchya You're the very definition of sophomoric.

I've just been hearing on the radio mainly in the last few days that they don't stop people from getting things through them, it's all anacdotal not hard science, but if it's true it's hardly the best way to go about it. Having the RIGHT people on no-fly lists and good profiling seems a better solution.

Sure, profiling would be an excellent idea. Pity we're so hamstrung by political correctness.

 

[makare]

Security measures should be as stringent as possible without hurting the people they are supposed to be protecting. Full body scans are definitely on the hurting the protected side of the pendulum swing.


Gas you are both uneducated and stagnant of thought, which while sad does make this a rather entertaining thread.

 

[Krisken]

I agree, I'm glad Gas is entertaining. Not as entertaining as he used to be since he's more predictable (though that may just be because of my level of interaction).

Dude, you have to switch it up a little bit. Throw us a curve ball. You have a long way to go to be shocking these days.

 

[GasBandit]

Security measures should be as stringent as possible without hurting the people they are supposed to be protecting. Full body scans are definitely on the hurting the protected side of the pendulum swing.

Where the middle of the swing is on that pendulum is subject to debate and interpretation.

Gas you are both uneducated and stagnant of thought, which while sad does make this a rather entertaining thread.

I'm as educated as you are, but unfortunately your dendritic branches are thin and wispy.

I agree, I'm glad Gas is entertaining. Not as entertaining as he used to be since he's more predictable (though that may just be because of my level of interaction).

Dude, you have to switch it up a little bit. Throw us a curve ball. You have a long way to go to be shocking these days.

What, do I need to bring up my stance on abortion again? There's only so much ground that can be covered in these political threads. But the thing is, I'm not trying to be shocking. I'm just the voice of the painful truth.

 

[makare]

I'm just the voice of the painful truth.

That's what I'm talking about. You're better than anyone on comedy central.


I am far more educated than you are and I don't even mean professionally. I have sought out to educate myself more than you ever have. Also, my sources of information are not selectively biased like yours so they are infinitely more valuable.

 

[Krisken]

I'm just the voice of the painful truth.

For some reason I keep reading this as "I'm the voice of the painful tooth".

I think you need to take a few more philosophy lessons if you want to be throwing around heavy words like "truth". It relies pretty heavily on things like evidence and logic, which are missing from most of the links you provide.

 

[Espy]

Let's just get this out of the way then:
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[GasBandit]

indeed.

I'm just the voice of the painful truth.

For some reason I keep reading this as "I'm the voice of the painful tooth".

I think you need to take a few more philosophy lessons if you want to be throwing around heavy words like "truth". It relies pretty heavily on things like evidence and logic, which are missing from most of the links you provide.[/QUOTE]

As opposed to the links you provide? Oh wait...