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Kitty Sinatra
I just want to listen to some Kidzbop Beatles 
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Heh. At any given point in time our national top40 music chart consists of 50% non-American based artists. Half of those don't even sing in English and will never ever be heard in the US. They are still big artists nonetheless.[/QUOTE]
This doesn't exactly help your case.
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makare
To make a valid point the list has to have enduring bands that are as world-wide culturally ingrained as the Beatles and they cannot have been popular in the US.
May I quote myself?
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Kitty Sinatra
Oh, and I'd just like to say that I did not tag this thread with The Beatles Suck. However, I'm glad it's been done because it removes the temptation.
Also: The Celine tag is mine. She is the wind beneath my wings.
Also: The Celine tag is mine. She is the wind beneath my wings.
That's exactly my point:
Being known in the US means probably being famous worldwide.
Not being known in the US means nothing worldwide, just that you aren't known in the US.
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makare
My argument is that the Beatles were only as long lasting and culturally ingrained as they were because they were popular not only in the US but during the Ed Sullivan/Baby Boom generation. It doesn't matter that they were not a band originally from the US. The US is what drove them to the pop culture heights they reached.
For this discussion, I don't care about the popularity of other bands around the world unless they are comparable to the Beatles, and have not had any influence from the US. If they are not those two things then they are irrelevant to my argument.
For this discussion, I don't care about the popularity of other bands around the world unless they are comparable to the Beatles, and have not had any influence from the US. If they are not those two things then they are irrelevant to my argument.
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makare
Abba was very popular in the US though and may still be for all I know.
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makare
I guess Abba could work. They are at about the same level as The Beatles, pop bands that made it huge.
I would rather have something that was not popular in the US at all but still popular elsewhere.
I would rather have something that was not popular in the US at all but still popular elsewhere.
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Chazwozel
Abba sucks as well. Nicely done!
ElJuski
Staff member
Not to be a prick, Ame, but house music started in Chicago.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_music
Now, with what you guys DID with it...
as for the Beatles...the Beatles came here, got super huge, and then went back and took over the pop culture world. If it wasn't for the baby boomers, I'm not sure--though yeah, kinda hypothetical--that it would be so internationally ingrained into the world's pop conscious.
Though that's skeptical, I concede.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_music
Now, with what you guys DID with it...
as for the Beatles...the Beatles came here, got super huge, and then went back and took over the pop culture world. If it wasn't for the baby boomers, I'm not sure--though yeah, kinda hypothetical--that it would be so internationally ingrained into the world's pop conscious.
Though that's skeptical, I concede.
This thread needs more...
SCARLETT!!!
SCARLETT!!!
And we can't be friends any more...
And we can't be friends any more...[/QUOTE]
I was always more into Shredder anyway.[/QUOTE]
Well good luck, that guy is way too obsessed with turtles for anyone else to have a chance.
*moby*[/QUOTE]
I see your moby and raise you the actual Sagan (and some others):
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JCM
"make me a list" lol
The Beatles ? (lol)
The Rolling Stones ?
David Bowie ? (He's even afraid of Americans.)
Rammstein ?
Pink Floyd ?
Bee Gees ?
ABBA ?
or.. how about:
Andrew Lloyd Webber ! lol[/QUOTE]lol [2]
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Pick any major Bollywood artist, and you got an artist that has billions of followers and is not known in the US but in many other countries. I just suck at naming them.
That reminds me I still need to watch Om Shanti Om. I might do that over dinner, actually.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much this. The east has its own cinema, heck, billions more watch Chinese/Hindi/Japanese movies than English movies. And at cheaper ticket prices, to boot.
ElJuski
Staff member
That's a lot of UK you got there, I thought you said US/UK does NOT equal the world? 
But seriously, the point wasn't to say that you COULDN'T find pop culture that is homogenous worldwide which started from other countries, but that the United States is the largest manufacturer of pop culture which gets worldwide homogeny.
And no, U2 is not as big as it is because of the baby boomers. You're a generation too late there, champ. I don't even know what your point even is, except to say, yes, hey, add U2 to the list. I am aware of this.
But I want to go back to the baby boomer / Beatles argument for a moment here. Let's say the Beatles never came to America. I suppose they still would have become the same sensation without one of America's biggest generation burst of consumer consumption and production. Yep, totally would have been the same thing. Completely. They didn't need the Ed Sullivan show! The Beatles would have figured out how to get huge record sales elsewhere. Third world countries would have eventually lapped it up and pressed the records themselves. America and its consumer culture had absolutely nothing to do with it.
What would have happened to the Beatles, I wonder, if the British Invasion never happened in the US?
But seriously, the point wasn't to say that you COULDN'T find pop culture that is homogenous worldwide which started from other countries, but that the United States is the largest manufacturer of pop culture which gets worldwide homogeny.
And no, U2 is not as big as it is because of the baby boomers. You're a generation too late there, champ. I don't even know what your point even is, except to say, yes, hey, add U2 to the list. I am aware of this.
But I want to go back to the baby boomer / Beatles argument for a moment here. Let's say the Beatles never came to America. I suppose they still would have become the same sensation without one of America's biggest generation burst of consumer consumption and production. Yep, totally would have been the same thing. Completely. They didn't need the Ed Sullivan show! The Beatles would have figured out how to get huge record sales elsewhere. Third world countries would have eventually lapped it up and pressed the records themselves. America and its consumer culture had absolutely nothing to do with it.
What would have happened to the Beatles, I wonder, if the British Invasion never happened in the US?
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makare
Sigh, it needs to be a list of stuff that is NOT FAMOUS IN THE US.
Why is that so difficult.....
Why is that so difficult.....
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JCM
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I think you're projecting.
How on earth would I be personally invested?
To me (and I'm sure most who are reading this thread) it is you who seem to get all worked up over this.
Oh, was that what he wanted? Yeah I could make a huge list, but still don't see the point.[/QUOTE]Amen on that.
But it was amusing to see the "America rocks, world sucks" wonder suddenly run and support UK as well.
To explain a guy who probably has never left his country the success of Kaoma, Mana, ACDC, Rammstein, Björk, Camui Gackt, Kaizers Orchestra, Apocaliptica, and et al is pretty much of a waste of time, after all, its like trying to explain someone at the Super Bowl how half of the world watches the World Cup.
But its still funny seeing ElJuski whine about how USA=all culture (or is it UK now?) when right now on tv they are showing clips from the Police show here with Sting making homage to the great bossa nova composer, Tom Jobim (who is even receives homages from every other american band, president and even has two characters named after him by Blizzard in WOW).
Not that I expect him to even know what Bossa nova, Lambada, Samba are, maybe to him they are the last winners of Paris Hilton's "Be my BFF" reality show.
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makare
JCM you are the one who added the UK. ElJuski is just trying to make his point with people who are constantly changing the rules and failing to answer questions as asked.
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JCM
Err, rules?
We're not even listening to him, after all having someone whine about america = all the world's culture in a thread where we're discussing British bands is simply hilarious.
Thank god they were British though, otherwise they'd be screwed into contracts to make the same shit to the level of overdose or suicide like Elvis and Hendrix were.
What Juski sees on American tv/hears on american radio = what the whole world sees on TV/listensto on radio. I think the thread is about over, really.
We're not even listening to him, after all having someone whine about america = all the world's culture in a thread where we're discussing British bands is simply hilarious.
Thank god they were British though, otherwise they'd be screwed into contracts to make the same shit to the level of overdose or suicide like Elvis and Hendrix were.
Yeah, fuck Akira Korusawa and every other movie director copying him, Beatles and every other band copying their 4-man style and of course Asian and Indians dont watch their own movies.
What Juski sees on American tv/hears on american radio = what the whole world sees on TV/listensto on radio. I think the thread is about over, really.
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makare
Yay just in time for the What the fuck is JCM even talking about now show
I love this show.
I love this show.
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JCM
Referring to yourself in the third person again El Juski?
ElJuski
Staff member
As soon as JCM gets in on his WARGLEBARGLEBARGLEBARGLE, it's just a matter of sitting back and enjoying. And every once in a while saying something to throw him into another shitfit.
For instance,
America is in fact the only culture that matters. We gave you trogdolytes jeans and rock n roll. SUCK IT
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JCM
Weak as you running away from replying Ama's post and running between Juski's usual ad-himineming all international users and uneducated shit?
Pathetically I could take any movie/music industry, toss off a few name name, like Japanese directors-
Akira Kurosawa
Takashi Miike
Yasujiro Ozu
Hiroshi Teshigahar
Isao Takahata
They have been copied, had americanized versions of their stuff remade, angles and stories copied but people at your level of education, language and travel wouldnt know anything about it.
Maybe thats why ElJuski and you, after getting to the level of insulting all international users are now trying to bring this to a flame war, to avoid the fact that even if we spent all day telling you about the world, you wont know shit.
Requesting a mod lock, as I dont have time for this shit.
Pathetically I could take any movie/music industry, toss off a few name name, like Japanese directors-
Akira Kurosawa
Takashi Miike
Yasujiro Ozu
Hiroshi Teshigahar
Isao Takahata
They have been copied, had americanized versions of their stuff remade, angles and stories copied but people at your level of education, language and travel wouldnt know anything about it.
Maybe thats why ElJuski and you, after getting to the level of insulting all international users are now trying to bring this to a flame war, to avoid the fact that even if we spent all day telling you about the world, you wont know shit.
Requesting a mod lock, as I dont have time for this shit.
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JCM
Pity you had the British sell it to you, and the Chinese lend you money so that your industry could survive to buy it from them.
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makare
No one has said anything against international users.
You are the one making the thread intolerable. How about you just leave and we can go back to having a discussion. Ame was actually making valid points whereas you are just being an ass.
This thread is fine.. it is you that is the problem.
You are the one making the thread intolerable. How about you just leave and we can go back to having a discussion. Ame was actually making valid points whereas you are just being an ass.
This thread is fine.. it is you that is the problem.
As soon as JCM gets in on his WARGLEBARGLEBARGLEBARGLE, it's just a matter of sitting back and enjoying. And every once in a while saying something to throw him into another shitfit.
For instance,
America is in fact the only culture that matters. We gave you trogdolytes jeans and rock n roll. SUCK IT[/QUOTE]
I'm not even American...
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