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GasBandit
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The latest backup is 232 megs (compressed), and yes it's entirely possible to host it somewhere else, if we get another host. It even would work as a single player map, though you will lose any stuff in your inventory if you make that change.
Only issue will be finding a place to stick it for you to download... gasbanditry.com is chock full atm :/
Only issue will be finding a place to stick it for you to download... gasbanditry.com is chock full atm :/
Could you upload it to megaupload.com ? I am pretty sure anon/free accounts can do an upload that size.
Really just thinking would be great to have for anyone wanting to see how feasible a big project would be or would like to mess around with mods or some such.
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Side note: World guard does not appear to protect stuff in the nether from from attacks of ghasts. Learned this during a running battle against some ghasts.
Honestly if it was easy to do I would not be opposed to the whole map getting fragged aside from certain super awesome map chunks and starting from (semi) scratch with one the the world boundry mods enabled.
GasBandit
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Let's not go jumping any guns here folks - until there's an updated version of Canary, the server will still be 1.7.3. If it takes them more than a week or two, and the Bukkit guys beat them to the punch, the faster (though not easier, bukkit's a freakin admin nightmare) thing to do may be to switch over to bukkit. However, this will screw up how minecarts work (last I heard, minecart mania/craftbook STILL didn't handle minecarts/chests as well as they did on canary/hmod), and last I looked there wasn't a magiccarpet plugin for bukkit either. It will be a large ordeal to do the switch, unfortunately... especially the security end.
Really, copying over monuments would be the easy part.
Another note - we have the ability to run multiple "world" files (currently this world is described as "world 8" on our server). All I have to do to start us over from scratch is change a line in the config file (say, to world 9) and reboot the server. This would not delete Ragnar, and to switch back to it would just require the same change in reverse and another reboot.
There used to be a mod that let you change maps and reboot from a command entered in chat... if I can find it again, perhaps that'd be a stopgap solution. Notch had said in the past he thought the idea of making nethergates able to connect to different maps might be a fun idea, but of course it isn't implemented yet :/
Really, copying over monuments would be the easy part.
Another note - we have the ability to run multiple "world" files (currently this world is described as "world 8" on our server). All I have to do to start us over from scratch is change a line in the config file (say, to world 9) and reboot the server. This would not delete Ragnar, and to switch back to it would just require the same change in reverse and another reboot.
There used to be a mod that let you change maps and reboot from a command entered in chat... if I can find it again, perhaps that'd be a stopgap solution. Notch had said in the past he thought the idea of making nethergates able to connect to different maps might be a fun idea, but of course it isn't implemented yet :/
GasBandit
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Alternatively, I can mothball world8 (the current world) and start us up on vanilla 1.8 right now on a new map. The downside is 1.8 is still very buggy when it comes to block placing/destroying from what I hear, and there will be NO SECURITY. ANYBODY could log in and get full rights to grief your shit. Also, obviously, no mods/addons.
GasBandit
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I'm serious though... setting up a vanilla server on 1.8 is hip deep in caveats 
but the one thing we wouldn't have to worry about is erasing the existing world... it'd just be "in storage."
I'm downloading the latest backup right now... gonna try to find some hosting for it. Also, once we get worldedit/worldguard on the new map, it... SHOULD... be fairly straightforward to transfer existing structures to the new server via the use of .schematic files incorporated into that addon. Be warned, however... my toying with .schematic imports in the past has had... bad results if the schematic in question was too big or needed to go all the way to bedrock... so it might be best to limit ourselves to standing structures rather than underground warrens.
but the one thing we wouldn't have to worry about is erasing the existing world... it'd just be "in storage."I'm downloading the latest backup right now... gonna try to find some hosting for it. Also, once we get worldedit/worldguard on the new map, it... SHOULD... be fairly straightforward to transfer existing structures to the new server via the use of .schematic files incorporated into that addon. Be warned, however... my toying with .schematic imports in the past has had... bad results if the schematic in question was too big or needed to go all the way to bedrock... so it might be best to limit ourselves to standing structures rather than underground warrens.
GasBandit
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Also, my experience with copy/pasting within minecraft shows me it does not preserve cloth color. I don't know if that is also true of schematics.
Added at: 10:52
Added at: 10:52
Ah, I meant I was looking for a place just to put the backup for people who wanted to download it. If we're talking about the actual server hosting itself, that's something we're all gonna have to discuss...
GasBandit
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I just found out that apparently (allegedly) Bukkit might support MULTIPLE WORLDS simultaneously (portals going between them). If so, the easy answer will be to switch to bukkit (soon as it supports 1.8) and just have a portal between Ragnar and whatever we decide to call the new world.
Added at: 12:31
Apparently, it's true. The function is called "multiverse."
This is earthshaking. It means we could have as many maps as we wanted, in theory... even if some of you want to import maps you've had previously in single player. Heh, I foresee a renovation of the Ragnar Central Transit hub
Added at: 12:31
Apparently, it's true. The function is called "multiverse."
This is earthshaking. It means we could have as many maps as we wanted, in theory... even if some of you want to import maps you've had previously in single player. Heh, I foresee a renovation of the Ragnar Central Transit hub
GasBandit
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In a manner of speaking. I don't think you can enable different mods on different maps or anything like that, but you can have different rulesets... IE, a survival map and a creative map. But I'm not entirely sure. I'll have to mess with it and see what happens.
GasBandit
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I don't know what Noax and Moss's reasoning was behind naming this world "ragnar." Heh, whatever you guys decide to call it is fine. For my purposes it will be world 9
Meantime, we also need to talk about the future of the server. Dave has indicated he can't afford to re-up when payment comes due next month. Payment options for minecraft servers work out to be just over a buck per user per month. I'm of the opinion we don't need 15 max users any more (I don't think we ever even broke the double digit barrier), I would say closer to 8 or so should be plenty. That just leaves how we pay for it. I've got a paypal that can take donations, so I can handle it if people wanna chip in. If someone else wants to do that, I'm open to it.
Meantime, we also need to talk about the future of the server. Dave has indicated he can't afford to re-up when payment comes due next month. Payment options for minecraft servers work out to be just over a buck per user per month. I'm of the opinion we don't need 15 max users any more (I don't think we ever even broke the double digit barrier), I would say closer to 8 or so should be plenty. That just leaves how we pay for it. I've got a paypal that can take donations, so I can handle it if people wanna chip in. If someone else wants to do that, I'm open to it.
GasBandit
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Let's go a little slower there. We've still got a month to work it out and the logistics aren't settled yet - I'm just seeing if the will is out there for when we pass the hat.
GasBandit
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Is it a big deal to transfer payment responsibility? Would it just be easier to let it lapse then upload backups to a newly rented server?
GasBandit
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If they don't make it difficult for a different person to pay the bill, it might just be easiest to adjust the max users and go on using the same MH account.
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