"Transformers 2" is a horrible experience of unbearable leng

[ElJuski]

@sixpack: lol wut? I WANTED TO SEE THIS MOVIE AND HAD DECENT EXPECTATIONS FOR IT. This has nothing to do with popularity cojack. I swear to god, I've outlined this argument several times already.

@Shakey: Yeah, I know. I like Bud Light too. And I like Bud Light when it = mindless action movie in the above metaphor.

I also understand that a shitload of people liked Epic Movie, too. That didn't take much thinking, and they keep making more. WONDER WHY

 

[Shannow]

Now you guys are just hitting the "I hate this because it is popular" button.

Wait...what!? Fuck that shit. We hate it because its a bad fucking movie.

 

[Shakey]

The majority of people don't go to a movie like this to be amazed by the depth of the characters or the incredible writing. They go there to shut their brain off and watch some stuff blow up. They aren't going to notice or care that the plot sucks and the writing could have been done by a 10 year old.

It's the exact same reason people buy shitty beer. They don't care about the flavor and color of the beer. They grew up drinking Bud Light so they will by instinct go and buy it. It's familiar and tastes good to them. Transformers are familiar to everyone. We grew up with them so we are going to flock to that movie as long as we can shut off our brain and watch some robots.

Yelling and screaming about how stupid people are for going to see it does nothing except give you high blood pressure. Deal with it. People like movies for different reasons than you. Calling them an idiot does nothing to help your cause. It's a freakin movie.

And no, I don't plan to go see it, but I'm not going to have a fit because others liked it.

 

[sixpackshaker]

Now you guys are just hitting the "I hate this because it is popular" button.

Wait...what!? smurf that poop. We hate it because its a bad smurfing movie.

I am just defending my 4th choice in beer.

 

[MindDetective]

The majority of people don't go to a movie like this to be amazed by the depth of the characters or the incredible writing.

It doesn't have to be amazing, just respectable. Reasonable dialogue and characterization ain't that hard. I'm not calling people stupid for seeing it. I wish they would demand a little more from the people making these movies, though. It isn't a high demand, really, but people's expectation seem to be so low that they are willing to let very simple components of basic storytelling slide.

 

[DarkAudit]

The majority of people don't go to a movie like this to be amazed by the depth of the characters or the incredible writing. They go there to shut their brain off and watch some stuff blow up. They aren't going to notice or care that the plot sucks and the writing could have been done by a 10 year old.

You keep missing the point. Even for one of those movies, it's bad. And enough is enough. If people feel insulted that others have had enough, too bad. Because enough is enough.

But really gets me is people excusing the blatant racism. "I'm too young to know better." "But it's funny." "kids don't know what Little Black Sambo is" " " Seek help. You've got issues that are gonna bite you in the ass down the line. I'll show you this again. There's no difference between this and the two StepinFetchitBots...

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C45g3YP7JOk:22ahsv8o][/youtube:22ahsv8o]

 

[Shannow]

What these past two said.

 

[Shegokigo]

Yelling and screaming about how stupid people are for going to see it does nothing except give you high blood pressure. Deal with it. People like movies for different reasons than you. Calling them an idiot does nothing to help your cause. It's a freakin movie.

So basically, never discuss movies on the forum? Gotcha.

 

[DarkAudit]

Yelling and screaming about how stupid people are for going to see it does nothing except give you high blood pressure. Deal with it. People like movies for different reasons than you. Calling them an idiot does nothing to help your cause. It's a freakin movie.

So basically, never discuss anything on the forum? Gotcha.

FTFY.

 

[Shakey]

So basically, never discuss movies on the forum? Gotcha.

Yelling and screaming is not discussing. Discuss all you want, I just don't see the point in the whole "you're an idiot and you're wrong" argument.

You keep missing the point. Even for one of those movies, it's bad. And enough is enough. If people feel insulted that others have had enough, too bad. Because enough is enough.

If it's really enough and you're tired of crap movies, then show them by not going to it. How many people went to it because they wanted to see how bad it was? That doesn't seem counterproductive?

And you seem to have missed the point I was making. Look at the whole Stienman vs Charlie/Kissinger deal. You make a habit of throwing out insults to prove your point and that's what happens. It shouldn't be any surprise that the Charlie/Kissinger thread turned into a flame fest and Stienman went to see a movie.

 

[Philosopher B.]

Woo this thread never ends.

 

[Shegokigo]

Woo this thread never ends.

/

 

[Espy]

Maybe it's time to go outside and take a break folks. Or at least step over to another thread for a little while.

Basically some like it and some don't.
Time to move on.

 

[Charlie Don't Surf]

Don't lock this thread it's awesome

 

[JCM]

I think a lot of defenders are missing the point here. Just because lots of people are buying tickets doesn't mean it's a GOOD movie. Let's use another example of something bad that people like... how about Bud Light? Sure, millions of people buy it. But they drink that piss because it's cheap and therefore gets them trashed for less money. I'm sure nobody LIKES Bud Light.

Transformers 2 is in the same boat. Millions of people will buy tickets because they can switch off their brain and enjoy some puerile Michael Bay entertainment. Doesn't mean it's good.

On a side note, I hear that the Pirates of the Caribbean success has compelled Hollywood to remake the classic 1935 pirate movie Captain Blood. I hope to God they don't let Michael Bay get his hands on it. The passionate yet respectable Errol Flynn/Olivia de Havilland romance will be replaced with Megan Fox's sweaty cleavage, every sinking ship will explode like it was filled with C4, and the black servants will talk in 21st century street slang.

More accurately what I am saying is:

I drink Bud Light because its cheap and it gets me drunk. But suddenly, this case of Bud Light starts tasting like the absolute worst Bud Light ever. So bad that I don't want to drink Bud Light anymore.

HOWEVER, people keep BUYING the Bud Light. And the company is making millions off of this shitty Bud Light. So it looks like I won't get my decent Bud Light anytime soon anymore. All shit, all the time!

Except some people ACTUALLY DO LIKE BUD LIGHT. I know it's crazy, but they do. You give them a good beer for free and say "try this, it's what beer should taste like" and they can't even stomach one sip. Call them what ever you want, but they are the majority.

So most people are idiots, and Hollywood films are going to get dumber and dumber until one day every movie is a SFX orgy between robots controlled by nubile women under the control of expressionless Keanu Reeves clones, with the occasional subplot of an akward clone high schooler trying to hit it with a nubile orgy robot controller.

Thank god for TV, foreign movies, and the odd good Hollywood flick that escapes the dumbing down. Yes, Im looking at you, "the wrestler"

 

[Steve]

You can lock the thread after my post but what I've got to say must be heard by the masses. Now, I've never hidden the fact that I really enjoyed the first Transformer's movie. And I really was looking forward to Revenge of the Fallen. I turned a deaf ear on those who said it was a big steaming pile of charlie. As much as it pains me to say this, Charlie don't surf was right! It was a horrible movie. Nothing made sense. Characters were horrible. I wanted to come back into this forum and announce "greatest movie ever" but all I got is the realization two and a half hours of my life are forever gone.
From the beginning when a Transformer kills a Decepticon and announces "Damn, I'm good" I knew I in trouble. The twin bots are horrible. Two close ups of dogs humping while the audience laughed with glee. Sam finding a sliver of the cube in his old jacket that activiated kitchen appliances and then realizing the cube sliver is not to be used again in the story. The little robot who stalked Megan Fox was as bad as the bot twins. Mom getting high on pot brownies. Parents kidnapped by Decepticons. Sam's roommate. It just got worse with each passing second. Honest to god, it was so bad I thought Sam would kneel over Optimus Prime's lifeless body and start to cry and his tears would bring back Prime. There was not one thing I enjoyed about this movie.
Charlie, I shall not question your judgement again.

 

[North_Ranger]

Hmm... I have to admit I never saw the twin bots as racist - although I must admit that the minstrel shows and the like were a foreign phenomenon hereabouts (although making fun of the Roma is comparable). But I still think people are reading too much into the whole thing: to me, the twinbots sounded like wannabe gangstas, the white kids who think that using such slang will make them cool, along with wearing your pants half-mast and such.

The reading thing? Not racist. If memory serves, one of the twins said the language was ancient Cybertronian or something - in essence a dead language or one that has retained only ceremonial meaning. Kinda like an Autobot version of Latin that only the Primes know because it's part of their heritage. That's why they had to wake up ol' pappy Jetfire to tell them what the symbols mean.

And yes, I did see the movie. I went to see it for two reasons: big robots fighting and Megan Fox. And before you call me a Philistine, talk to my collection of Shakespeare plays and the Middle English version of The Canterbury Tales.

*climbs out of the pit and burns his hipwaders*

 

[Steve]

I don't think the twin bots were racists. I think they were just bad additions to the movie. There were a lot of robots and not much character building other than the twin bots dumb lucking their way through a fight like Jar Jar did. I would have rather had four or five Transformers and Decepticons battle than the 30 or so with no real clear picture of the bots due to the camera bouncing around so much. Really, why bring the cube sliver into the movie? It added nothing and did not progress the story at all. What did the room mate bring? They put him in for comic relief? Also put in for comic relief: dogs humping, agent from Sector 7, Sam's parents, twin bots, small decepticon. Do we really need that much comic relief? And what was the purpose of the President's lapdog wanting to shut down the program? You've got giant robots attacking our planet and best you can come up with is get rid of the bots who are fighting for us? Pointless. The first movie was a lot of fun. This one not so much.

 

[ElJuski]

Hmm... I have to admit I never saw the twin bots as racist - although I must admit that the minstrel shows and the like were a foreign phenomenon hereabouts (although making fun of the Roma is comparable). But I still think people are reading too much into the whole thing: to me, the twinbots sounded like wannabe gangstas, the white kids who think that using such slang will make them cool, along with wearing your pants half-mast and such.

The reading thing? Not racist. If memory serves, one of the twins said the language was ancient Cybertronian or something - in essence a dead language or one that has retained only ceremonial meaning. Kinda like an Autobot version of Latin that only the Primes know because it's part of their heritage. That's why they had to wake up ol' pappy Jetfire to tell them what the symbols mean.

And yes, I did see the movie. I went to see it for two reasons: big robots fighting and Megan Fox. And before you call me a Philistine, talk to my collection of Shakespeare plays and the Middle English version of The Canterbury Tales.

*climbs out of the pit and burns his hipwaders*

This is what annoys the me the most. I LOVE MINDLESS ACTION MOVIES. I'm not saying there should be a movie about big robots fighting ever because oh my oh dearie what would the neighbors think.

A piece of shit movie is a piece of shit movie, regardless of what genre, director, writers, camera fucking men were on it.

 

[Shawn]

The majority of people don't go to a movie like this to be amazed by the depth of the characters or the incredible writing. They go there to shut their brain off and watch some stuff blow up. They aren't going to notice or care that the plot sucks and the writing could have been done by a 10 year old.

You keep missing the point. Even for one of those movies, it's bad. And enough is enough. If people feel insulted that others have had enough, too bad. Because enough is enough.

But really gets me is people excusing the blatant racism. "I'm too young to know better." "But it's funny." "kids don't know what Little Black Sambo is" " " Seek help. You've got issues that are gonna bite you in the a** down the line. I'll show you this again. There's no difference between this and the two StepinFetchitBots...

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C45g3YP7JOk:3dox3f3q][/youtube:3dox3f3q]

Now this is way too much. ^
I can't tell if you're serious, or if you really really really just want to call "racism" on a movie just so you have more reasons to claim it's a horrible film.
Skids and Mudflap are what we call "characters". Are you seriously so intolerant of humor that the moment you see a character of a certain race protrayed as anything less than competent that you will yell and scream "RACISM! RACISM! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!". But on the flipside, the two clueless white parents in the movie are perfectly fine and are not there as representatives of the white population. Seriously, you are telling me you've never seen an unintelligent black man before? Have you EVER watched a Wayans Brothers movie? When I hear Mudflap and Skids I'm hearing Marlon Wayans.
Heck, I bet you think this [sub:3dox3f3q]V[/sub:3dox3f3q] character holds onto a can of grape soda the entire movie.

If you don't like a movie, just say you don't like it. Don't be a tool and try to find PC reasons not to like it.

And Juski, I'm disappointed in you. Calling half the forums idiots because they disagree with you. You expect that kind of stuff from Shego. Not you. And even Shego's pulling her punches.

 

[Lally]

[sigh]

[bangs head on wall]

 

[ElJuski]

Shawnacy, you are five pages late of me calling out the racism of said film. It was an interesting discussion (ha).

Also, half the forum? Seems like a handful of people that are bantering about how this movie is anything more than a turd.

 

[Chippy]

Also, half the forum?

Half the forum...

Half forum...

Halforum! OH MY GOD IT ALL MAKES SENSE

 

[ElJuski]

Also, half the forum?

Half the forum...

Half forum...

Halforum! OH MY GOD IT ALL MAKES SENSE

:shock:

 

[Shegokigo]

[sigh]

[bangs head on wall]

*waits patiently for Lally to knock herself unconsious*

 

[Shawn]

Shawnacy, you are five pages late of me calling out the racism of said film. It was an interesting discussion (ha).

Also, half the forum? Seems like a handful of people that are bantering about how this movie is anything more than a turd.

If I'm five pages late why is Dark still crying racism?
I've count you, Kissinger, Dark Audit, Shego, Charlie, and Shannow as the majority of haters of the film. And most of you are pulling the "Im right, and you're wrong cause yer dumb" argument. And if that's not enough you're all calling the downfall of cinema as we know it because apparently Tranformers 2 proves without a doubt that intellectual and overall "good" movies are not long for this world. Sometimes I wonder if you even put things into perspective at all. I'm looking at a list of movies in theater right now. Of them I can suggest the following as films that have been generally liked by Joe Blow Average and movie critics alike.
The Hangover, Up, Star Trek, Angels and Demons, Drag me to Hell, Moon, The Stoning of Soraya M.
Hollywood has survived blockbuster "budlights" before. I doubt Tranformers 2 is going to make any significant dent in it's structure.

 

[Shegokigo]

Shawnacy, you are five pages late of me calling out the racism of said film. It was an interesting discussion (ha).

Also, half the forum? Seems like a handful of people that are bantering about how this movie is anything more than a turd.

If I'm five pages late why is Dark still crying racism?
I've count you, Kissinger, Dark Audit, Shego, Charlie, and Shannow as the majority of haters of the film. And most of you are pulling the "Im right, and you're wrong cause yer dumb" argument. And if that's not enough you're all calling the downfall of cinema as we know it because apparently Tranformers 2 proves without a doubt that intellectual and overall "good" movies are not long for this world. Sometimes I wonder if you even put things into perspective at all. I'm looking at a list of movies in theater right now. Of them I can suggest the following as films that have been generally liked by Joe Blow Average and movie critics alike.
The Hangover, Up, Star Trek, Angels and Demons, Drag me to *, Moon, The Stoning of Soraya M.
Hollywood has survived blockbuster "budlights" before. I doubt Tranformers 2 is going to make any significant dent in it's structure.

Did you just put Star Trek and UP budlights? Seriously?

Also, where did I say I hated this movie exactly? Kinda hard to hate something you haven't seen.

 

[ScytheRexx]

Okay I know this is a bad idea, it feels like a bad idea, but I figured I wanted to talk about it. So let's get it out of the way.

Transformers 2 was a fun movie. There, I got that out of the way.

If you go into Transformers 2 expecting cohesion, drama, high-class jokes, or anything of that nature, it would basically be the same as watching Spongebob Squarepants and expecting Gargoyles. Not everything is made for the same person, or the same type of person. That is why we have demographs and genres.

Transformers didn't try to be anything more then a glorified cartoon. It has a plot that was childish, a villain that existed for the pure purpose of dying at the end, reoccurring characters with silly, over the top personalities, threw in some silly jokes for the less then witty, adult jokes for the toilet joke crowd, and for the pyro heads, a lot of explosions. Bay obviously didn't want it to be anything else, and has proved that since most of his movies are glorified cartoons, from Bad Boys to Armageddon. The single real time he attempted to be serious gave us gems like Pearl Harbor, the guy just stepped back and realized he does not do serious very well, that's why he makes all those stupid commercials with mad max koalas and exploding barbeques.

I went into the movie expecting nothing less, and actually, the movie exceeded the expectations I had from the first movie, which in retrospective, was probably worst on the plot scale. The weak plots still didn't stop me from enjoying both movies for what they were. Frankly, and I say this as someone that considers themselves a rather average geek, with a lot of blue collier qualities and a love for movies (Having gone to film school and worked in LA), you guys that trash the "stupid masses" that watch this movie need to step back and realize, that in the end, you are really no better then them. How do I know this? You spend your days complaining in a 13 page thread about how horrible a movie is that you never even watched.

There is only one thing I will agree with here, and that is the twinbots. Bay could have really hit a good place if he never allowed those two into the script. They got too much screen time for serving such a little purpose, just like Jar Jar Binks. I am probably the only person on the planet that enjoyed Star Wars Episode 1, but even I admit that Jar Jar took it down a large notch that never allowed it to recover, and that same thing happened with the twinbots. It would have been better to see someone else, even Arcee, joining them during the majority of the trip. Sadly that didn't happen, but they didn't have enough screentime to "ruin" the movie for me, and for that I am grateful.

 

[BananaHands]

Did anyone else notice that apparently there are...

[spoiler:22d7lcym]ROBOT GODS THAT CAN BRING SHIA BACK TO LIFE AFTER ALL MEANS TO RESUSCITATE HIM FAILED!?[/spoiler:22d7lcym]

That was so fucking cheesy. Made me rage.

The dialogue was horrible. The scene where his parents are in Egypt with them and he has to convince his Father to let him go again and again and again... then his mother suddenly (for no reason what-so-ever) has a change of heart and tells him to let Shia go (contrasting how she acted 7/8ths of the movie). But, let's look at this in a different way... he begs and pleads his parents to run away, and when he asks ol' Megan to leave:

"I'm not going without you!" (Build up for another 'emotional' scene...)
"Okay, let's go then. " (Uh...what?)

And they run off.

Look, you can claim I'm going with popular opinion... You can claim I'm being some sort of elitist... but there is NO SOLID STORY STRUCTURE. The movie acts like this:

Scene with Shia and Megan(resolved)/ROBOTS FIGHTING/Scene with Shia and Megan(resolved)/ROBOTS FIGHTING...etc. etc.

Michael Bay had stuffed this movie with so much irrelivant information and explosions that in the end all he really got was an episodic story line that attempts to tie a love story and robots together. Oh, and when he does tie it together, it's with shitty dialogue or WACKY COMIC RELIEF :tongue: !

"Hey Shia! I'm your roommate! We have a rivalry at first and I own a system of computers that are so far complex that it takes three quirky people to run it, OH! And it's in our Dorm! By the way? Our rivalry? We'll be best buds while I form a homo-erotic relationship with your once enemy in Sector 7!"
"Hey Shia, I'm the little decepticon bot that is so retarded that there is absolutely no reason a decepticon would send me on this mission. In fact, it would have been resolved by sending a huge hulking robot instead of a remote control car. But who cares!? I hump megan fox's leg!"
"Hey, I'm your enemy from Sector 7. But now I work in a meat store with a huge secret lair below! I also wear thongs and make funny little jokes!"

Sorry, that's the movie to me. You guys can like, you guys can hate it. But I'm done with this thread, my $0.02 is in and reading fanboys WHO HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN IT defend it is just giving me a headache.

Oh, and if he wanted to make this a cartoony feel good movie, don't make every transformer swear just for the sake of swearing.

 

[Dieb]

I am probably the only person on the planet that enjoyed Star Wars Episode 1

Way to undercut your whole argument! No one's going to listen to you after you say that

Heh, just kidding, but on a more serious note - I haven't seen either Transformer movie, and I don't intend to. After I paid good money to see "Pearl Harbor", I was never going to let Bay get another dime from me. So I can't say anything about the movie, good or bad. I'd just like to point out that, from what I've read, most people's argument for Transformers is "hey, there's nothing wrong with mindless action movies!" And of course this is true. Sometimes, you just want to see some hot people kicking ass with explosions involved.

But that doesn't mean there aren't bad action movies! There's a difference between "Die Hard" and "Speed Two: Cruise Control", people. Now, again, I haven't seen this film. I have no idea at which end of the spectrum it lies. But can't people admit that a movie can be a dumb action film and be bad?

 

[CynicismKills]

Did anyone else notice that apparently there are...

[spoiler:1nq520l5]ROBOT GODS THAT CAN BRING SHIA BACK TO LIFE AFTER ALL MEANS TO RESUSCITATE HIM FAILED!?[/spoiler:1nq520l5]

That was so fucking cheesy. Made me rage.

Yeah, I went to Denny's for some late-night breakfast afterward, and mentioned to my friends [spoiler:1nq520l5]"man, that scene felt like such a deus ex machina."[/spoiler:1nq520l5]

Then I thought for a second, and realized.

[spoiler:1nq520l5]THE SCENE IS LITERALLY A DEUS EX MACHINA. WITH GOD MACHINES.[/spoiler:1nq520l5]

I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.

 

[Krisken]

I am probably the only person on the planet that enjoyed Star Wars Episode 1

Way to undercut your whole argument! No one's going to listen to you after you say that

Heh, just kidding, but on a more serious note - I haven't seen either Transformer movie, and I don't intend to. After I paid good money to see "Pearl Harbor", I was never going to let Bay get another dime from me. So I can't say anything about the movie, good or bad. I'd just like to point out that, from what I've read, most people's argument for Transformers is "hey, there's nothing wrong with mindless action movies!" And of course this is true. Sometimes, you just want to see some hot people kicking a** with explosions involved.

But that doesn't mean there aren't bad action movies! There's a difference between "Die Hard" and "Speed Two: Cruise Control", people. Now, again, I haven't seen this film. I have no idea at which end of the spectrum it lies. But can't people admit that a movie can be a dumb action film and be bad?

I admit it, absolutely. I won't agree that someone is stupid because they like it though.

 

[ScytheRexx]

I admit it, absolutely. I won't agree that someone is stupid because they like it though.

Pretty much the same for me.

 

[Bowielee]

Well, Just got back from seeing it and I have to say that it was thoroughly enjoyable from start to finish.

The only really negative thing I have to say about it is the "black" robots. Yeah, they WERE horribly racist. They comprise all of 10 minutes of screen time, so it didn't lessen my enjoyment of the film overall.

Revenge of the fallen was everything I wanted out of the first movie. You could actually tell what were happening in the action sequences, which comprised a good chunk of the movie.

That's about all I'm gonna say about it.

 

[Shakey]

Sorry, that's the movie to me. You guys can like, you guys can hate it. But I'm done with this thread, my $0.02 is in and reading fanboys WHO HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN IT defend it is just giving me a headache.

Oh, and if he wanted to make this a cartoony feel good movie, don't make every transformer swear just for the sake of swearing.

So you read the reviews. You saw the first movie. You knew it was going to be a pile of shit. Yet you paid money to go see it just so you could complain about how big the pile of shit really was. Your money went towards proving that no matter how bad the movie is, if there are enough explosions and robots we will pay to see it.